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07-01-2020 , 07:52 PM
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Originally Posted by chillrob
Saw the courtroom photos of the guy wearing a plexiglass shield over his face. Dude looked like a Marvel super-villian.

He sounded pretty feeble.

Although a lot of people claim he is faking it.

Very rare for a prolific serial killer just to stop like he did.
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07-02-2020 , 12:22 AM
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07-02-2020 , 03:33 AM
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Originally Posted by golfnutt
He sounded pretty feeble.

Although a lot of people claim he is faking it.

Very rare for a prolific serial killer just to stop like he did.
Yeah I read that too, apparently he wasn't a feeble neighbour, an old curmudgeon type. The sort who if you kicked your ball into his garden he'd burst the ****er rather than throw it back. Would go tearing around at night on a motorbike.

The only other one I recall was BTK, active for 16 years then just stopped, and probably would have gotten away with it but for the calamitous lololds way he got caught.

Last edited by SiMor29; 07-02-2020 at 03:40 AM.
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07-02-2020 , 04:11 AM
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Originally Posted by SiMor29
Yeah I read that too, apparently he wasn't a feeble neighbour, an old curmudgeon type. The sort who if you kicked your ball into his garden he'd burst the ****er rather than throw it back. Would go tearing around at night on a motorbike.

The only other one I recall was BTK, active for 16 years then just stopped, and probably would have gotten away with it but for the calamitous lololds way he got caught.

BTK wanted to get caught.

I think they all eventually want credit for their work.
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07-04-2020 , 01:00 AM
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BTK wanted to get caught.

I think they all eventually want credit for their work.
sure wish the Zodiac killer would come out of the shadows and take a bow
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07-13-2020 , 11:41 AM
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sure wish the Zodiac killer would come out of the shadows and take a bow
Isnt it possible he is zodiac? Hed have been 20 when sherry joe bates was killed (if that was indeed zodiac). So not too young. And 24 when the killings really started. Obv if they've already tried his DNA to zodiac nevermind me but he was in the same general area and spread across California too. Zodiac just killed but maybe this dude decided he wanted to start assaulting women after a few years.

Didnt zodiac dissapear around the same time the EAR started killing? I'm shooting from the hip here and maybe these things have already been discussed, if so I apologize. They both made taunting phone calls....
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07-14-2020 , 12:37 AM
I'm not sure how he lines up but the site below is pretty obsessed with all things Zodiac and I don't recall a serious case ever being made by anyone that they're the same

http://zodiackiller.com/index2.html

you can click the link at that site to go to the forum and ask those folks, I think they'll blow the theory out of the water pretty quick. They have a list of like 20 suspects and none of them include DeAngelo
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07-14-2020 , 01:44 AM
After watching episode 3, did I understand that correctly at the end? The GSK freaking called Michelle McNamara and threatened to kill her?
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07-14-2020 , 03:54 AM
Edward Edwards is all of em!
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07-14-2020 , 09:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Dominic
After watching episode 3, did I understand that correctly at the end? The GSK freaking called Michelle McNamara and threatened to kill her?
I read her book about a year ago and certainly don't remember anything like that.
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07-14-2020 , 09:52 PM
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Originally Posted by chillrob
I read her book about a year ago and certainly don't remember anything like that.
I think it was a recorded message the killer left for someone else, and not McNamara
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07-14-2020 , 10:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Dominic
I think it was a recorded message the killer left for someone else, and not McNamara
I'm waiting to binge the entire show at once but I was obsessed with this case and I've never heard anything about McNamara getting a call

Here's a list of all the calls attributed to the GSK:

December 10th, 1977 9:52 PM
A second call came in.

"I am going to hit tonight. Watt Avenue."

December 1977
Victim #8 received a phone call from someone who whispered threats.



December 1977
Victim #23 also received a phone call from someone whispering threats.



Late December 1977 to Early January 1978

The future victims of Attack #30 received multiple phone calls during this time period. The caller always asked for someone who didn't live at their address. The calls stopped around the second week of January.

1978

January 2nd, 1978

Victim #1 had been receiving odd phone calls since around Christmas. The police gave her a tape recorder in hopes that she'd be able to catch the elusive caller's voice. On the evening of January 2nd, the phone rang several times. One of them was a wrong number asking "Is Ray there?" Some investigators think that the caller was probably the rapist.

Later on in the evening, the phone rang at Victim #1's house once more. A voice that she recognized as the East Area Rapist was on the other end.

Caller: "Gonna kill you... Gonna killll you... Gonna killlll you *****... *****... *****... ****in' whore..."

There was an extended period of deep, harsh breathing before the threats began.



January 20th, 1978 5:20 AM
The mother of Victim #27 was awakened by a phone call. "Hello?" she asked after picking up the phone.

Caller: "I have not struck in awhile. You will be my next victim. I'm going to **** you in the butt. See you soon."



January 20th, 1978 5:30 AM
The female victim in Attack #18 had just gotten out of bed for work.

The phone rang. At the other end of the line was a man:

Caller: "I have not struck in awhile. You will be my next victim. I'm going to **** you in the butt. See you soon."



Late January 1978
The two victims in Attack #29 received phone calls (four in total) from a man with a "funny-sounding" voice. The caller always asked if the victims' mother was there.



March 16th, 1978
The phone rang, and a twenty-eight year-old mother of two children living near Attack #30 answered it. On the other end was a man whispering "I need someone to talk to while I masturbate. Would you be interested?" This occurred two days before the attack.



April 1st or 2nd, 1978
Victim #31's house received a phone call. Her sister answered, and a male voice said "I've ****ed your sister."



April 12th, 1978
The phone rang at Victim #31's house. The male voice on the other end said "let me sell you out."



April through Early/Mid May, 1978

During this time period, the future victims of Attack #32 received a lot of hang-up phone calls. Toward the middle of May, those phone calls became obscene. The final call was received in mid May, and the caller said "I want to cum on your lap." This was about three weeks before the attack occurred.



September through early October 1978

All throughout this time period, streets like Minert Road, Oak Grove Road, Belann Court, and even streets as far away as Hollis Court experienced obscene phone calls. These areas were around Attack #37 and Attack #38.

1979

January 15th, 1979

Victim #42 received a call that she identified as the EAR. This call occurred over a month after her attack.

Caller: "Do you want ****?"



Mid May 1979

Crank phone calls started up at a house near the golf course in Walnut Creek. Three women lived at this house, and the calls continued from mid May until the day Attack #45 happened. The day before the attack, those same three women had a prowler in their backyard. Two pictures were stolen from the house, and one of the photos stolen which featured one of the women in a bikini.



November 1st, 1979

A young woman who lived off of Calle Real (a street near the EAR's Goleta activity) received a phone call in the middle of the night. The man on the other end made non-specific threats and then hung up.



November 7th, 1979

The same young woman who had received the threatening phone call on November 1st received another crank call in the middle of the night. The man on the other end threatened to kill her. It was the same voice that had called previously.



November 20th, 1979 Afternoon

An obscene phone call occurred on Nueces Drive, a street to the northeast of the More Mesa beach area in Goleta.



November 22nd, 1979 11:45 AM

Another obscene phone call occurred, this time on a street right off of Calle Real in Goleta. This house was only a few yards away from the house that received the obscene phone calls on November 1st and 7th.



November 21st through November 24th, 1979

A woman living just south of Berkeley Road received over a dozen hang-up and obscene phone calls a day for four days straight.

1980

Early January, 1980

On a day in early January 1980, a resident living nearby received a dozen obscene phone calls in the early morning hours. This was fairly soon after the Offerman/Manning murders.

1981

February 4th or 5th, 1981
A mysterious phone call was received at the Witthuhn house. The caller was described as an older-sounding African-American male. It may or may not be related to the Witthuhn murder, which occurred a day or two later, though some feel that it might be because her answering machine tape was stolen.

1982

October 21st, 1982

Victim #24 received a call from a voice that she identified as the EAR's.

Caller: "Hi, it's me again. Remember me? I'm going to come over and **** you again. You're going to suck my cock again."

1990s

Sometime between 1990 and 1992

Victim #7 received a phone call, and she recognized the voice on the other end as the voice of the rapist. The caller whispered harshly into the phone, saying "You know who this is" or "Do you know who this is?" The victim was on the line with him for about a minute. There was the sound of children and maybe a woman in the background, which could've potentially come from a television or some other source.

2001

April 6th, 2001

Victim #14 received a phone call from a man who whispered "Remember when we played?" She positively identified the man as the voice of the East Area Rapist. This phone call came just two days after the breaking news that the East Area Rapist crimes had been tied by DNA to the murders in Southern California.

2004

Spring 2004

Even though the caller didn't speak, it's worth mentioning the series of hang-up phone calls that the sister of murder victim Janelle Cruz received in the Spring of 2004. At the time, a massive push to get Proposition 69 wrapped up was being undertaken by Bruce Harrington, the brother of murder victim Keith Harrington. Bruce's primary goal was to use the law of the land to force the California prison system to do a massive DNA sweep to look for his brother's killer. Proposition 69 was successful, but unfortunately, the Golden State Killer was not found.

Michelle Cruz, the sister of murder victim Janelle Cruz, participated in a press conference around this time. Afterward, she received five or six hang-up phone calls a day for a period of two weeks or so. When she answered the phone, the caller wouldn't speak, but the caller wouldn't hang up, either. Whether this was the offender of not is unknown, but that was the style of his hang-up phone calls, and the fact that he made calls like that wasn't widely known at the time.
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07-16-2020 , 11:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Dominic
I think it was a recorded message the killer left for someone else, and not McNamara
At the end of episode 3, she is at the hotel writing the book and playing the recording of the famous phone call of ONS to one of his rape victims. This was played earlier in the series.
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07-17-2020 , 10:47 PM
I read the first 70 pages or so of the book and put it down. I just havent found her writing style to be very interesting. The documentary has been...ok. I'll finish watching it though
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08-06-2020 , 12:30 AM
If you dont watch but one episode of I'll Be Gone in the Dark, watch episode 6

great interviews with Bonnie
Spoiler:
(the fiancé who broke off their engagement & whose name he repeated at crime scenes while crying and saying "I hate you Bonnie")
as well as some of Angelos family, I hope more talk and we learn more about his family, sounds like he went through hell as a kid that obviously ****ed him up for life

Spoiler:
At 7 years old he saw his sister get raped by two men

He stopped killing from 81' to 86' because his niece who had been attacked (perhaps raped, it wasn't totally clear what happened) moved with him.


Can you friggin imagine???

You survive your attack and move in with a family member only to find out you've just moved in with the GOLDEN STATE KILLER!!!

*** me runnin!

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08-08-2020 , 10:18 PM
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I thought this guy was dead for sure, I just couldn't imagine how a guy could suddenly stop committing such horrific crimes after being so active for so long.
that's why they play the games, kid.

the mystery is why it took 52 years to file this generality in the garbage bin.
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08-08-2020 , 10:29 PM
absolutely fascinating story, though. how inept were law enforcement back in the 70s and 80s? holy Christ

they can still prolly be beat
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08-12-2020 , 01:14 PM
not inept. intentional if not complicit. remember dude was a cop himself.
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08-12-2020 , 03:34 PM
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not inept. intentional if not complicit. remember dude was a cop himself.
Cops are mostly garbage, but no cop is letting this guy off the hook if they had a decent idea it was him.
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08-12-2020 , 05:43 PM
According to the book, probably the main reason he was never caught at the time was that the various police departments of the various districts where the crime was committed were very bad about sharing their information. Turf wars were common, and if a detective from tried to get information on a murder in another city they were often given the run-around.
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08-12-2020 , 09:04 PM
I haven't seen the new show, but if you look at the pattern of attacks, it seems pretty clear to me why they didn't have any idea who this was. This site has a detailed accounting of all the known attacks: https://web.archive.org/web/20180425...om/attacks.php

(1) The guy was a local police officer, and therefore knew police procedure and technology. Even back when this was happening, the detectives had an idea that it could have been a police officer, as the EAR all of a sudden stopped touching the women's bodies with his bare hands, just as new technology was made available to the police department that would allow for prints to be lifted off of skin.

(2) He was extremely methodical and careful. You would be hard-pressed to find another criminal that would spend as much time planning his attacks.

(3) Lack of technology. Perhaps today in 2020 it would be impossible to get away with such a crime spree with cameras at every other house, GPS on phones, DNA technology, facial recognition, etc. Back in the 1970's, that technology was just not available. In fact, the first time DNA evidence was even used in a criminal trial was in 1987, so the tools to catch a smart criminal was not really around back then.

(4) The killer's ability. There were several instances where the East Area Rapist was on the ropes, seconds away from capture, and he got away. He was reportedly able to jump over fences with a single jump, routinely jumped on roofs, was a crack shot, was extremely skilled with burglarizing homes, and so on. If the police weren't dealing with somebody that was perhaps as skilled a criminal as this guy, they would have actually caught him in the act, but the guy was just able to elude police in a way that would be difficult even today.


I don't think it is really fair to say that the detectives back then were stupid. They probably should have gone harder with the theory that it was either a police officer or somebody in the military, but there was a lot that they couldn't really account for at the time.
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08-12-2020 , 10:43 PM
I think its fair to say they were pretty stupid.
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08-12-2020 , 11:13 PM
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Originally Posted by chillrob
According to the book, probably the main reason he was never caught at the time was that the various police departments of the various districts where the crime was committed were very bad about sharing their information. Turf wars were common, and if a detective from tried to get information on a murder in another city they were often given the run-around.
this was the case with federal agencies in the 90s and early 2000s wrt to fighting terrorism. it's unacceptable and to blame for both divergent acts of terrorism. it's inept human folly, and to some degree will likely remain an impediment in the future.
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08-20-2020 , 02:24 PM
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09-01-2020 , 04:30 AM
Interesting. Apparently starring Patton Oswalt somehow.
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