chill:
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Originally Posted by chillrob
For you guys who don't understand how this is ****ty, imagine this analogous situation:
A company opens a nice restaurant; not McDonald's type, but a sit down one with hostesses, waiters, bussers, etc. Everything in it is nice, clean, and new; actually looks nicer and gives a better experience than most restaurants.
And, while its customers realize that most restaurant employees aren't paid well and actually survive mostly on tips, this restaurant has a big sign over the door saying "you don't have to tip here, it's included". So its customers are even happier, figuring the staff is actually paid better than in other restaurants. But, in reality, they are paid even worse than other restaurants!
Not only would this be bad, I don't see how one could even say that the only ****ty thing the company is doing here is paying their employees less money than is standard. The putting the sign up magnifies the problem. It implies that the employees are paid -better- than the industry standard, when actually the reverse is true.
Completely flawed analogy. A better analogy is this restaurant says to employees "we're going to pay you this ****ty wage, and btw, tipping isn't allowed in our restaurant." For whatever reasons, employees decide to work there. They then have no basis to say it's ****ty for the company to promote a policy that they were 100% clear about all along. As I've said multiple times, there is no shortage of ****ty things Uber does, but being consistent about no tipping on Uber is not one of them.
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Originally Posted by jmakin
This post is all you really need. El D is making a fool of himself, I suspect because he likes using uber (I do too as a rider) and doesn't wanna feel ****ty about it.
See above, J. And I guarantee you I am way more familiar than you re: how ****ty Uber is. They are really a pretty evil company.
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Originally Posted by jmakin
Capone, people sign up to drive because they are thinking they'll make 50k/yr with their own hours out of their own car. Uber leads them to believe that. I didn't believe that, but did believe I'd be able to make a decent amount of money on my own time without a huge hassle.
I found totally the opposite. Most drivers I've talked to at length say the same, in my area. I'm skeptical about its viability long term.
Uber has definitely been ****ty and deceptive about getting people who are not the savviest math/finance/budget people to believe their claims of how much money they can make, and getting them to often make some very poor financial decisions to drive for Uber. And then making changes after the fact that make things even worse. They have tons and tons of ****ty business practices. My only point has been that the tipping thing is not one of them. Every driver signing up with them should be 100% clear about the fact that you don't get tips driving for Uber. That's all.
As for their viability, it has little to do with the current state of their operations in many markets, where they definitely have long-term unsustainable models focused on customer adoption, market share, and network/capacity buildout over all else. Ride-sharing service is just the first piece of their transportation/logistics network, and what you see as Uber today has little to do with what Uber will look like in a few years. I don't really care to discuss this point, though, there's a ton of research/analysis on all that stuff available. Here's one piece on just the ride-sharing component, there are many others on logistics/delivery/etc opportunities.
http://abovethecrowd.com/2014/07/11/...l-market-size/