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Amanda Knox....Innocent American on trial in Italy or cold-blooded murderer? Amanda Knox....Innocent American on trial in Italy or cold-blooded murderer?
View Poll Results: Is Amanda Knox innocent or guilty of murdering Meredith Kercher in Perugia Italy?
There is reasonable doubt here and should be found not guilty.
381 26.89%
She is guilty as can be and should be found guilty.
550 38.81%
She is completely innocent and should be acquitted.
168 11.86%
Undecided
318 22.44%

12-05-2009 , 04:31 PM
Amanda Knox IS hot!!!!

Miss OOT 2009 imo
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12-05-2009 , 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by BlunderCity
Amanda Knox IS hot!!!!

Miss OOT 2009 imo
Victim hotter than murderer in every pic ive seen.
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12-05-2009 , 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by [Phill]
Victim hotter than murderer in every pic ive seen.
So you are saying Meredith Kercher was hotter than Rudy Guede?
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12-05-2009 , 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by [Phill]
Victim hotter than murderer in every pic ive seen.
http://msnbcmedia2.msn.com/j/MSNBC/C...245a.widec.jpg

...licious my friend!!
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12-05-2009 , 05:16 PM
I have been reading more about this. There is no doubt to her guilt at all. The forensic evidence is insurmountable. The Knox family employed a pr to proclaim her innocence to the US media. It is disgusting that her family would claim her innocence rather than accept it.
They are responsible for perpetuating the pain the family of the girl their daughter murdered feel. Shame on them they should be prosecuted to.
Anyone is welcome to say what they want. look at the evidence not what the murderers pr has fed you. After reading this stuff I find it disgusting.
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12-05-2009 , 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Poker91
So you are saying Meredith Kercher was hotter than Rudy Guede?
Hotter than all three of them convicted of murdering her, yes.
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12-05-2009 , 05:43 PM
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Originally Posted by dxu05
There was a witness that links her to Rudy as a drug dealer friend. Not questioning anything else, no matter whos alibi you go by Amanda is at her apartment or missing the night of the murder. Her boyfriend says she went home. She suddenly made up a confession about being home. And no one can vouch for her being anywhere else. This is before even questioning whether or not the boyfriend being on the internet at his house is relevant. I don't even care if the boyfriend was there, it just seems she is consistently out of a reliable alibi of not being at her apartment.

So she doesn't have a good alibi and is linked to a really weird incrimination of a random dude for no clear motive. This is before all the weird evidence in the room and claims of evidence contamination come into play. I mean it's not condemning but it certainly involves complicity in my mind. I would also like to add that those questioning the evidence are as much bombarded by the counter-media surge by her lawyers so how good, or bad, the evidence actually is, isn't available to us either.

My real big question here is: if Rudy Guede is the solo killer, and he already is condemned to jail. In fact it'd take a meteor to break his ass out of prison. What incentive is he getting to keep Knox and Sollecito in the story/why doesn't he just say exactly what happened without the bushy haired stranger involved. I mean it's too condemning to have your bloody handprint + DNA all over the body, and poop in the toilet. So if his delusions of freedom are pretty much gone why doesn't he tell the real story?

And finally, I think him taking a dump is potentially a really crucial part of the case in terms of determining what kind of connection he has with amanda and the boyfriend. You have to picture the scenario in which you go to a girl's house, rape, kill, and then take a dump. Behind that is a confidence that roomates aren't coming home, that you wouldn't hold it in to get rid of the body. Just a whole lot of comfort issues for a stranger in someone elses house.
Does anyone know if they will be releasing all the transcripts and evidence from the trial? It would be real interesting to hear exactly what the juror heard.

Do you have a link to the story that describes Amandas association with Rudy?

Re: her alibi (and alibis in general):

I can go see a movie at noon and unless it really moved me, I can forget what it was about and the title by dinner. Add a couple of days and I won't even remember which day I saw the movie. What reason do I have to keep a precise record of where I went, what movie I saw and every movement in between? The details are meaningless to me, so I won't remember them and if I am pressed to recall them, I could see myself contradicting myself right and left, not because I'm lying but because I simply can't remember all the exact details, why would I? It was just a freaking movie for gods sake?

Wait, someone was killed at my house on that day around the time I say I was at the movie?

Now, it's really important I know my every movement on the day in question. The problem is the day I went to the movie I actually did go to the movie, didn''t kill anyone and had no reason to track my every movement.

Probably a bad analogy, but my point is that if Amanda and her boyfriend were'nt involved, had been smoking pot, partying, having sex, etc, it would seem to me that it would be easy to forget all the exact movements and actions they took on that evening and contradict their stories. Of course you would expect someone who is guilty to contradict themselves as well so she could be lying like you said.

One of the many conundrums of this case
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12-05-2009 , 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by meatballs
I have been reading more about this. There is no doubt to her guilt at all. The forensic evidence is insurmountable. The Knox family employed a pr to proclaim her innocence to the US media. It is disgusting that her family would claim her innocence rather than accept it.
They are responsible for perpetuating the pain the family of the girl their daughter murdered feel. Shame on them they should be prosecuted to.
Anyone is welcome to say what they want. look at the evidence not what the murderers pr has fed you. After reading this stuff I find it disgusting.
The more you read huh? Reading comprehension must not be your thing, Because there is zero credible forensic evidence that Knox did this crime...absolutely zero.
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12-05-2009 , 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by [Phill]
I dont often read newspapers, but i read my parents copy of our local broadsheet (serious, none tabloid) and the case was in there. The report was so different to what ive read on here its unreal and its not because i think they are spinning the story.

Maybe its because the victim is British (she was a student about an hours travel from here) or maybe its because the people writing it up werent American, but its pretty amazing how different it was from what ive read on CNN etc.

Btw, was it mentioned in the thread that she tried to make the murder look like a break in gone wrong by breaking out the window (from the inside)? Coupled with them finding her acting suspicious then she tries to frame the boss. Im not Columbo, but i definitely have one more question.

To think this is open and shut from either side is ridiculous, but there is a hell of a lot of stuff making her look guilty in the little that has leaked out about the case.
Do you have a link to this local paper (broadsheet?)?

Also, could you elaborate on what you found to be so different about the reporting?
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12-05-2009 , 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by meatballs
I have been reading more about this. There is no doubt to her guilt at all. The forensic evidence is insurmountable. The Knox family employed a pr to proclaim her innocence to the US media. It is disgusting that her family would claim her innocence rather than accept it.
They are responsible for perpetuating the pain the family of the girl their daughter murdered feel. Shame on them they should be prosecuted to.
Anyone is welcome to say what they want. look at the evidence not what the murderers pr has fed you. After reading this stuff I find it disgusting.
Could you please elaborate on what exactly this evidence is?
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12-05-2009 , 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by yimyammer
Does anyone know if they will be releasing all the transcripts and evidence from the trial? It would be real interesting to hear exactly what the juror heard.

Do you have a link to the story that describes Amandas association with Rudy?

Re: her alibi (and alibis in general):

I can go see a movie at noon and unless it really moved me, I can forget what it was about and the title by dinner. Add a couple of days and I won't even remember which day I saw the movie. What reason do I have to keep a precise record of where I went, what movie I saw and every movement in between? The details are meaningless to me, so I won't remember them and if I am pressed to recall them, I could see myself contradicting myself right and left, not because I'm lying but because I simply can't remember all the exact details, why would I? It was just a freaking movie for gods sake?

Wait, someone was killed at my house on that day around the time I say I was at the movie?

Now, it's really important I know my every movement on the day in question. The problem is the day I went to the movie I actually did go to the movie, didn''t kill anyone and had no reason to track my every movement.

Probably a bad analogy, but my point is that if Amanda and her boyfriend were'nt involved, had been smoking pot, partying, having sex, etc, it would seem to me that it would be easy to forget all the exact movements and actions they took on that evening and contradict their stories. Of course you would expect someone who is guilty to contradict themselves as well so she could be lying like you said.

One of the many conundrums of this case
While I accept all the claims of potential problems with her statements it should be clearly pointed out that I seriously doubt the Italian police were out to arrest and convict her and Sollecito for murder. With that being said, I would like to point out that more likely than not, police interrogators have plenty of experience with people who cant remember something very clearly. She is not the first murderer or innocent person with bad memory they have dealt with.

So for a cop to go from oh, normal girl who cant remember her alibi to to I'm probably thinking she has a highly suspicious alibi isn't going to be just because she couldn't remember at which minute she was doing what with who. It's going to be due to major inconsistencies that someone should glaringly know, that we don't know. Of course you can question this, but this is the same thing as questioning whether a cop read the radar gun correctly when he caught you for speeding. Unless you have real reason to strongly question the character and capacity of the police work here it's really really hard to say that all the evidence is bunk.

And I'm sure the PR campaign that her family's legal staff has held is doing well in informing you that Italian police actually hate Americans and viciously put words in addition to knives, and other evidence in their posession for the sake of keeping an American in Italy for as many years as possible.
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12-05-2009 , 06:31 PM
2 years ago Amanda Knox >>>>>>>> trial Amanda Knox. They tried to make her look like a fat quaker to dispel the whole part girl thing. Completely callous of them to disregard our feelings like that.
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12-05-2009 , 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted by yimyammer
Does anyone know if they will be releasing all the transcripts and evidence from the trial? It would be real interesting to hear exactly what the juror heard.

Do you have a link to the story that describes Amandas association with Rudy?

Re: her alibi (and alibis in general):

I can go see a movie at noon and unless it really moved me, I can forget what it was about and the title by dinner. Add a couple of days and I won't even remember which day I saw the movie. What reason do I have to keep a precise record of where I went, what movie I saw and every movement in between? The details are meaningless to me, so I won't remember them and if I am pressed to recall them, I could see myself contradicting myself right and left, not because I'm lying but because I simply can't remember all the exact details, why would I? It was just a freaking movie for gods sake?

Wait, someone was killed at my house on that day around the time I say I was at the movie?

Now, it's really important I know my every movement on the day in question. The problem is the day I went to the movie I actually did go to the movie, didn''t kill anyone and had no reason to track my every movement.

Probably a bad analogy, but my point is that if Amanda and her boyfriend were'nt involved, had been smoking pot, partying, having sex, etc, it would seem to me that it would be easy to forget all the exact movements and actions they took on that evening and contradict their stories. Of course you would expect someone who is guilty to contradict themselves as well so she could be lying like you said.

One of the many conundrums of this case
Pretty sure if I found my roommate murdered in my house today I'd remember where I was and what I did last night. Particularly if I was in the freaking house at the time the murder took place. And yes even if I'd smoked a bunch of hash.
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12-05-2009 , 06:37 PM
I'm not all fired up about her getting convicted and I get that way sometimes following cases, so for me, it doesn't seem like a heinous conviction.

I will wait for the juror/judges notes before I decide what I think about it overall.

One thing I think people need to remember, and has been mentioned a few times already, is remember where you are getting your news from. People in England might have a different view than you, not because is was a British citizen killed, but because of what they are hearing from their outlets. In America it is obvious there is a slant for people to think this girl is innocent. This was planned and probably succeeded to certain extent.

I'm not going to blame her family for purposely trying to create a PR campaign in their daughter's favor because if she was innocent, it would also probably be a good move to make. As long as they believe their daughter is innocent, it was the right thing to do. Now if they think she is guilty, that's another topic.
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12-05-2009 , 06:37 PM
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Originally Posted by yimyammer
Could you please elaborate on what exactly this evidence is?
LOL. yeah it's funny when people throw out words like "forensic evidence" when then either have no idea what it means, or have no idea whats going on with the case. There is almost ZERO forensic evidence against Amanda Knox and her ex-BF.
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12-05-2009 , 06:40 PM
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Originally Posted by TheTruthSpeaks
LOL. yeah it's funny when people throw out words like "forensic evidence" when then either have no idea what it means, or have no idea whats going on with the case. There is almost ZERO forensic evidence against Amanda Knox and her ex-BF.
Thats just blatantly untrue. Theres evidence, and it seems depending on which popularized media source you got your info from it's either shaky evidence or rock solid evidence.
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12-05-2009 , 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by yimyammer
Do you have a link to this local paper (broadsheet?)?

Also, could you elaborate on what you found to be so different about the reporting?
Weirdly they dont have it on their site. It was more clinical and to the point, ignoring the clothes she was wearing and not delving into the flaws of the Italian court system in order to imply through that there was a miscarriage of justice.

Here are two articles from the same day to compare though:
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/eu...trial.opinion/
http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/uk_..._jury_retires/

Here is an AP article from Fox:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,579290,00.html

Also, in my search i found this:
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She was also woefully lacking in tact. A fellow employee at the World Cup cafe in Seattle, where Knox worked, said: "The first time I met her she asked me if I was Jewish. I told her I was. She then screamed 'My people killed your people' and began laughing hysterically.
"I didn't know what to say. She just kept laughing about her Germans killing my Jews. After that, I did not like her. She really freaked me out."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...hool-girl.html

Positively charming person, im sure.

From the same Telegraph article:
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On the day Miss Kercher was found her daughter telephoned Seattle, where it was 4am.
"She said 'I know it's early, but I think somebody must have been in my house.'"
Later, she called again and was hysterical.
Mrs Mellas said: "Amanda said they were knocking down the door, and then she said 'Oh my god there's a foot, they're saying something about a foot.' She couldn't understand the Italian. She was beyond upset. Then she said 'I've got to go.'"
and from the earlier AP piece off of Fox:
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Defense lawyers described the American, who made the dean's list at the University of Washington, as a smart and cheerful woman, at one point even comparing her to film character Amelie, the innocent and dreamy girl in the 2001 French movie of the same title.

That is the film Knox and Sollecito said they were watching at his home on the night of the murder, where they say they smoked marijuana and had sex. Knox said she went home the next morning to find the door to the house open and Kercher dead.
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After the murder, Knox told investigators she was home and had to cover her ears to block out Kercher's screams. She accused a Congolese man, Patrick Diya Lumumba, of the killing. Lumumba, who owns a pub in Perugia where Knox worked, was jailed briefly but was later cleared. Knox said during the trial that police pressure led her to initially accuse an innocent man.
Ignoring the hilarity of her being like Amelie whilst she has joked about the holocaust to a Jew she just met, how come there are so many different stories about where she was and what she was doing?
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12-05-2009 , 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by dxu05
And I'm sure the PR campaign that her family's legal staff has held is doing well in informing you that Italian police actually hate Americans and viciously put words in addition to knives, and other evidence in their posession for the sake of keeping an American in Italy for as many years as possible.
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Few of the eight jurors looked at her. Six of the jurors were wearing red, white and green sashes -- the colors of Italy's flag.
http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/12/04/italy.knox.trial/

Several American outlets picked up on this.

Ive read that jurors are expected to wear the "fascia tricolore" during the formal parts of trial (as are all representatives of the country on official occasions) and the two who didnt were the exceptions to the rule and not the 6 who did were making some kind of anti American statement.

This is the kind of slanted reporting im talking about.
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12-05-2009 , 07:34 PM
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Originally Posted by [Phill]


Ignoring the hilarity of her being like Amelie whilst she has joked about the holocaust to a Jew she just met, how come there are so many different stories about where she was and what she was doing?
So you just take this story as the gospel truth huh? Sorry I need more, and even if it is true it's not any kind of evidence she did this murder.
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12-05-2009 , 08:03 PM
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Originally Posted by z32fanatic
I love how people are outraged at this, mainly because she's American and being convicted in Italian court. If she was convicted in US court, none of these people would care. Just because the court system is not the US court system (which also makes many mistakes btw), does not mean it is inferior. Just now on 20/20 I heard a reporter say "There are only 8 people deciding, 8 people can decide a murder case?!" Yes, I'm sure having 4 more morons really helps.

To me the coverage of this case is equated to the coverage of random missing white girls.
agreed
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12-05-2009 , 08:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Poker91
So you just take this story as the gospel truth huh? Sorry I need more, and even if it is true it's not any kind of evidence she did this murder.
actually it is. in fact, its integral. its called "opportunity"
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12-05-2009 , 08:11 PM
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Originally Posted by meatballs
I have been reading more about this. There is no doubt to her guilt at all. The forensic evidence is insurmountable. The Knox family employed a pr to proclaim her innocence to the US media. It is disgusting that her family would claim her innocence rather than accept it.
They are responsible for perpetuating the pain the family of the girl their daughter murdered feel. Shame on them they should be prosecuted to.
Anyone is welcome to say what they want. look at the evidence not what the murderers pr has fed you. After reading this stuff I find it disgusting.
wife: hey honey, our daughters on trial for murder, how should we spend our money to help her? I was thinking a lawyer...

husband: damnit woman, don't you know the best way to handle this is to hire a pr firm to spread propaganda in a country where the trial isn't being held?! *smack*

(not sure why that took a domestic abuse turn, but you get my point)
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12-05-2009 , 09:19 PM
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Originally Posted by meatballs
I have been reading more about this. There is no doubt to her guilt at all. The forensic evidence is insurmountable. The Knox family employed a pr to proclaim her innocence to the US media. It is disgusting that her family would claim her innocence rather than accept it.
They are responsible for perpetuating the pain the family of the girl their daughter murdered feel. Shame on them they should be prosecuted to.
Anyone is welcome to say what they want. look at the evidence not what the murderers pr has fed you. After reading this stuff I find it disgusting.
you are horrible. as was pointed out, there is ZERO forensic evidence against her
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12-05-2009 , 09:35 PM
Huge lol the Americans criticising the Italian judicial system in this thread. No system is perfect but I would much rather face an italian judiciary over an American one for any crime, minor or major.

At least Ms. Knox will not be murdered by the state, so she can count herself fortunate.
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12-05-2009 , 09:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Poker91
So you just take this story as the gospel truth huh? Sorry I need more, and even if it is true it's not any kind of evidence she did this murder.
I have no reason to disbelieve the story. What, she is cute and therefore cant be an insensitive dick?

Its also not evidence of her guilt, more a hilariously contradictory anecdote amongst the more publicised friends and family who talk about how great she is.

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Originally Posted by mikekelley
you are horrible. as was pointed out, there is ZERO forensic evidence against her
OK, but this isnt the first case where someone was convicted without physical evidence.

Google the phrase, its extremely common and isnt in itself evidence of innocence.

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Originally Posted by donny0
wife: hey honey, our daughters on trial for murder, how should we spend our money to help her? I was thinking a lawyer...

husband: damnit woman, don't you know the best way to handle this is to hire a pr firm to spread propaganda in a country where the trial isn't being held?! *smack*

(not sure why that took a domestic abuse turn, but you get my point)
They hired David Marriott to handle PR and founded the Friends of Amanda Knox organisation packed with friends in high places (lawyers etc) who present their side of events to the media.

In other words stop being dumb. This wasnt even hard to find out.
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