The prosecution According to the prosecution's story the four, on behalf of the Napoleoni, would carry out the 'illegal investigation', by accessing the computer system inter-force on a juvenile court psychologist who had given a negative opinion when Napoleons had called for the lifting of the parental authority over the child of her former husband.

The wheels cut The survey was born in the aftermath of an incident to the psychologist. It was on November 17 last year when the daughter of the professional, which uses the car headed to the mother came home that note, it is written nell'oridnanza of the investigating judge, "all four tires were cut," and it was written on the hood " 'bitch, so learn to take the children to the mothers' draw with blue crayon drawing and accompanied by phallic. " For this episode and also written for another offensive referring to the same professional, is lodged complaint. "Reiterating that he never used the car damaged, assumed, (the psychologist, ed) that the author of the act had reconnected the midst of his person by the PRA or similar investigations." The prosecutor then has undergone occurred if there had been 'computer records on the car? Questions. " And it is from this finding that emerges as the 14 and 16 November last year, had been made ​​by the police Question of Perugia. Precisely officials from the three suspects along with the Napoleons, even though "there was no ongoing investigation on the psychologist."

Offenses On November 18, one night after the episode of the wheels cut, also the husband of the complainant Napoleoni for the offensive graffiti that are done under the house. "You must die" and "pedophile." In the call he makes 112, he says he sees an Audi dark away from his property.

What does this have to do with Amanda and Raffaele murdering Meredith Kercher?

Ummm the head of homicide and her goons who charged the students are bent and discredited.

You've also got Profazio tied to the false confession from the two Romanians in Rome. They found the real rapists but still wouldn't let the illegal immigrants off and said they were still guilty.

By this logic, until the divorce thing Napoleoni wasn't discredited five years ago when Amanda and Raffaele murdered Meredith Kercher.

I mean you're basically saying that because she freaked out on her ex-husband... what, exactly? That no one gets murdered in Perugia?

I guess I'm asking what-- specifically-- her duties were in regard to Amanda and Raffaele murdering Meredith Kercher in 2007 and how spray painting her ex's house in 2013 relates to that.

Do I need to spell it out for you?

She was the head of homicide at the time of arrest. She is tied to witness intimidation which is a serious offence. Profazio is tied to two false confessions. Mignini is insane with his body swap theories in the MOF case.

You still can't work it out?

None of the articles you've posted support anything you claim. In fact, they seem to suggest that the Italian police force is very tightly run with serious charges for even minor misconduct like accessing a police database without authorization, which is taken far less seriously in most other places.

Also, you're being quite a weirdo with all the photoshopped propaganda pics. All that's missing from your cast of photoshopped characters is Knox in a halo.

he prosecution According to the prosecution's story the four, on behalf of the Napoleoni, would carry out the 'illegal investigation', by accessing the computer system inter-force on a juvenile court psychologist who had given a negative opinion when Napoleons had called for the lifting of the parental authority over the child of her former husband.

The wheels cut The survey was born in the aftermath of an incident to the psychologist. It was on November 17 last year when the daughter of the professional, which uses the car headed to the mother came home that note, it is written nell'oridnanza of the investigating judge, "all four tires were cut," and it was written on the hood " 'bitch, so learn to take the children to the mothers' draw with blue crayon drawing and accompanied by phallic. " For this episode and also written for another offensive referring to the same professional, is lodged complaint. "Reiterating that he never used the car damaged, assumed, (the psychologist, ed) that the author of the act had reconnected the midst of his person by the PRA or similar investigations." The prosecutor then has undergone occurred if there had been 'computer records on the car? Questions. " And it is from this finding that emerges as the 14 and 16 November last year, had been made ​​by the police Question of Perugia. Precisely officials from the three suspects along with the Napoleons, even though "there was no ongoing investigation on the psychologist."

Offenses On November 18, one night after the episode of the wheels cut, also the husband of the complainant Napoleoni for the offensive graffiti that are done under the house. "You must die" and "pedophile." In the call he makes 112, he says he sees an Audi dark away from his property.

While I am not familiar with the Monster of Florence case I do know that Mignini's theory of the case has just recently been endorsed by the Italian Supreme Court.

So whatever it Mignini believes it appears that a lot of the top judges agree with him.

I'm also confused as to why you continue to think Mignini is relevant. He was the investigating prosecutor and one of two prosecutors at the original trial. He had absolutely nothing to do with the SCC appeal or in your world is Galati also one of Minigni's minions despite vastly out ranking him?

Minigni has been promoted and as such I don't expect he will have anything to do with the next trial either. Will the prosecutors from Tuscany also be under Minigni's command?

No Henry. Mignini's body swap theory was completely tossed with Narducci's family thanking the court for it's decision.

Waiting for Tony to figure out how to say, without saying it, that "it's a bad thing about Napoleoni and makes me feel good" is boring. Moving on.

You guys know how we keep talking about Meredith's TOTAL LACK of defensive wounds as an indication that she was restrained? Here are hands of people who instinctively, reflexively, tried to block an incoming knife to save their own lives.

They are badly damaged, two dead, but representative. SPOILED FOR A REASON.

Roll Tape:







This is what happens when you grab an attacker's knife. Meredith didn't have these, or anything close. Her hands were described as follows (pp 370, 371):
Briefly, her three hand injuries are 1/4" inch each, or smaller.



It goes on:
Meaning that while the large number of injuries were being inflicted upon her, she didn't react. She did have bruises on the insides of both of her elbows and hand bruises over her face. In fact, not only were her hands not damaged by attempting to stop the knives, they weren't even bloodied from reaching up to the wounds -- this isn't something you just decide not to do, she was prevented from doing it, per the abundant restraint bruises to her elbows:



While someone dragged a small knife across her neck and then buried it in her throat, achieving fairly clean paths, she didn't flinch, nor did she try to stop it or bring her hands up after the stabs were made. One person could hold her head with one hand and use the other to carefully taunt her with a knife, sure. But that would leave Meredith's hands free. If they held her hands, her head would be able to bend, curl or flinch. Instead we have a conscious, strong, healthy victim who was totally restrained by at least one person while another (or two) made the cuts to her neck.

If you ask me, the scream came when her mouth was uncovered and that's what occasioned the deepest stabs.

You criticize her for being cold in interviews, and when she shows a little emotion, you criticize that. lol, you are idiots.

And yet Tony thinks what matters here is Napoleoni's divorce.

Poker Reference I'm not supprised you want to move on.

Thanks for the pics (I think?) but Guede attacked Meredith from behind.

And this explains Meredith's inability to move how?

This would not stop her getting defensive hand wounds.

But interesting that you say this. Earlier I believe you suggested one reason Guede may have attacked her, rather than leaving the house quietly, is she saw him.

If she saw him, and caught him robbing the house it seems unlikely he would then be able to launch a surprise attack on her from behind. So if you subscribe to an attack from behind you logically lend more weight to him attacking her for kicks rather than to silence her.

(p 145)

Torre = Amanda's consultant
Introna is Raffaele's

lol

I am interested to hear 239's response to post 15562. He needs to counter with showing her defensive wounds that would make sense if there was 1 attacker. Otherwise he needs to figure out who RG's accomplice was since he thinks AK and RS were not there.

Yeah, it's where it all begins and ends for me as far as the number of attackers. Not only did Meredith not defend herself, she didn't even express normal involuntary reflexes while someone was alternatively taunting and stabbing her. We know she wasn't tied up, and was conscious (hadn't been drugged or bludgeoned).

You can totally restrain your victim (head and both arms) but this leaves no hands available for stabbing (with two knives)

Or you can stab with one hand and attempt to restrain with the other, which leaves the victim's head and likely at least one arm free to move.

In effect a lone wolf scenario is as follows: Meredith comes home and Rudy takes two knives and appears in her doorway at the same moment she has undressed only from the waist down. Rudy can't believe his good luck: she is totally passive, I daresay even cooperative, in her own murder and stands there compliantly while he does what he needs to do. Rudy overcomes her, loses a shoe, has a go at her corpse, and finally leaves with her prized house keys.

It amazes me how often AK supporters throw the defense theories out. Yesterday 239 is saying the defense theory that RG lost a shoe in the struggle is most likely wrong. 239 says that RG removed his shoe to go wash up leaving a footprint on the bath mat in post 15385. Now FatTony says the attack was from behind. Yet the defense says the cuts most likely happened from the front.

The supporters know that the defense story is full of holes yet blindly march on. In order to believe she is innocent you have to believe her own defense is part of the conspiracy against her.

And it's such a straightforward chain of logic, too.

Start with the attack, more than one attacker. We know Rudy (Suspect 1) was there, but who else?

A footprint in the victim's blood is made by someone, not Rudy, and this same persons DNA is found on the clasp of the bra she was wearing during the attack. We have a suspect 2.

Did they have keys to the house? No, only Suspect 2's girlfriend did, so she must have let them in, at least. Meanwhile her DNA is mixed with the victim's blood in spots throughout that part of the house, including twice in the room where a break-in was simulated. (No DNA of the occupant of that very room.) Her DNA is also found one handle of a knife belonging to Suspect 2, recovered from his home, the blade of which has small traces of victim DNA. She becomes Suspect 3.

Do they have an alibi? No. Did their stories change a ton? They sure did.

Building out from that, there are footprints matching Suspects 2 and 3 revealed by Luminol testing done six weeks later, precluding all possibilities that the substance is anything but blood.

I hated this thread when it was first created and had it FFVB'ed for the longest time, like a year at least; I was aware that there was some controversy surrounding it but was otherwise a blank slate and once I read the lopsided argument itt and the Massei report I was totally surprised that anyone would consider this case less than open and shut.

^^^^^^

In before 239 (once again) ignores that as a matter of law, a failure to rebut a legal presumption makes that legal presumption a fact.

One of the defence expert (Sollecito's expert) says the attack could only have happened from behind because it is impossible to stab someone in the neck from the front.

I am not a medical doctor but I'm going to say that is nevertheless comically wrong.

I think I'm going to stop posting ITT. This was a horrible murder and I think that's been hitting me more now than when I started.

No judgement on people that continue debating the case in good faith (although if you're a shill I think you're a pretty horrible piece of **** waste of flesh) I'm just not sure I want to be part of this anymore especially in terms of mostly just trolling people I think are dumb.