Thinking that justice was done in this case is dumb. And I said nothing about not trusting someone because they are Albianian or homeless, quit making things up like the sleazy prosecutor in this sorry case does as well.

Make a counter argument once in this thread, please. It will be fun.

No, dismissing stuff we know to have happened is not a counter argument.

Lets start with how these eye witnesses are unreliable. Then we can start on the series of unreliable alibis.

Also it would be fun to know how you know her. Its clear you have an emotional involvement in this case.

End of the day, Meredith's family sat through the entire court preceedings plus all the years of lies and half truths and they are happy justice was done. How can you call them dumb given they have had so much more access to this evidence than you and they have a stronger reason to see justice done than you. They want the killers of their daughter prosecuted. They were caught and convicted.

What we have is the judge, the prosecution, 2 expert judges and 6 lay judges making up the equiv of a jury, the family of Meredith and seemingly everyone who has seen all the evidence who isnt either hired by or related to Knox come to the conclusion justice was done. How can you possibly disagree with them if you cannot even attempt to counter argue a whole series of excellent points on the demeaner, testimony and actions of Knox.

Then we have the boyfriend. If one is innocent, both must be innocent. So how did he end up repeatedly lying in the same way as Knox and the two of them repeatedly contradicted each other's statements.

How do two innocent people manage to look so guilty? Can you even attempt to explain this? Oh, and the standard "media bias" doesnt wash given we have been researching multiple sources. This thread and the people posting in it, other than you, has done more journalism and investigation than any news piece supporting Knox as far as i can see.

I saw this now. I'll admit I got pwned so hard I'm slightly suicidal right now. This was a hard blow to my intelligence.

>>Make a counter argument once in this thread, please. It will be fun.<<

A counter argument to what exactly? Be specific.

>>No, dismissing stuff we know to have happened is not a counter argument.<<

Dismissing what exactly? Be specific.

>>Lets start with how these eye witnesses are unreliable. Then we can start on the series of unreliable alibis.<<

I didn't say they were unreliable, I question statements that come from drunks and those who seem to find themselves witnesses in high profile murder cases more than once as any thinking person would.

>>Also it would be fun to know how you know her. Its clear you have an emotional involvement in this case.<<

I know her from what I've seen in the news, is that fun enough for you?

>>End of the day, Meredith's family sat through the entire court preceedings plus all the years of lies and half truths and they are happy justice was done. How can you call them dumb given they have had so much more access to this evidence than you and they have a stronger reason to see justice done than you. They want the killers of their daughter prosecuted. They were caught and convicted.<<

That's why we don't let victims families who are going though such emotional turmoil choose the punishment for those accused or convicted of crimes. You understand this concept don't you?

>>What we have is the judge, the prosecution, 2 expert judges and 6 lay judges making up the equiv of a jury, the family of Meredith and seemingly everyone who has seen all the evidence who isnt either hired by or related to Knox come to the conclusion justice was done. How can you possibly disagree with them if you cannot even attempt to counter argue a whole series of excellent points on the demeaner, testimony and actions of Knox.<<

OK so you want to convict on demeanor and not credible evidence, Are you a member of the demeanor police? Did you get some kind of training for this?

>>Then we have the boyfriend. If one is innocent, both must be innocent. So how did he end up repeatedly lying in the same way as Knox and the two of them repeatedly contradicted each other's statements.<<

I don't what he lied about, or what the prosecution twisted around what he may of said, all I know is there is no credible evidence he did this crime.

>>How do two innocent people manage to look so guilty? Can you even attempt to explain this? Oh, and the standard "media bias" doesnt wash given we have been researching multiple sources. This thread and the people posting in it that are not you has done more journalism than any news piece supporting Knox as far as i can see. <<

"Look guilty" huh? As long as they look guilty you don't need any real evidence I guess. You are a true man of "justice" Phillll.

The whole covered by the blanket thing is what tipped me into thinking she probably did it. Anyone committing a crime of passion, i.e. Guede alone, kills her and then ****ing bolts when he sees what he has done. He doesn't wait around cleaning up his tracks and then cover the body... wtf?!

So my thought is, Guede kills her, bolts, Knox and her bf clean their tracks and throw the blanket over the body while leaving Guede's obvious tracks for people to find. They then think they're arrogant enough to get out of it and spin lie after lie.

I'm not basing any of this on the character accusations that have been spewed. The blanket just throws me off any reasonable doubt I had.

You are not basing it on any real evidence either.

Right. I admitted that. I'm not a juror though, so I get the privilege of spouting random **** on the internet. It fails the common sense test imo. Other things being "unreliable" don't sway me from this. *shrug*

Dismissing a coincidence doesn't quite seem fair without knowing the details. Especially when a lot of coincidences needed to take place for Amanda to have no involvement in this crime. What were the details of the other case? Does anyone know? I'd be interested in reading about it.

I searched for stuff regarding this 2001 murder case this homeless guy was apparently a witness in, can't find anything other than this one article which provides no details though.

I'd really like to know all the details of the Guerde case. I've searched and can't find much.

You seem to be ignoring the circumstantial evidence.

Even if we believe what you clearly believe which is she was framed by a corrupt police force it still doesnt ignore that she still to this day cannot account for where they were. The lie she eventually settled on was her and her boyfriend were at his place all night until 1000.

Except she was seen by the owner of the supermarket where she bought the cleaning supplies that she was waiting outside his shop at 0745 for him to open up.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...oxs-alibi.html

I mean, who actually stands outside of a supermarket since before 0745 after a night of taking drugs so powerful that she cannot remember clear details in order to buy cleaning supplies?

Then there is the series of weird phone calls and the order of events as told by Knox before even being questioned by the police (to make her "misremember" or intimidate her":
http://prairiechicken.blogspot.com/2...libi-work.html

She desperately tried to contact her housemate by ringing her mobile for 4 seconds.

There is so much fail in trying to defend her. There is mountains of circumstantial evidence against her its unreal.

Also Kercher's door locked, which Knox claimed was normal, but the other roommate testified was definitely not normal. Do I have that right? a) another Knox lie and b) this would be consistent with Knox not wanting to have to "discover the body" and go through a whole acting routine calling the police etc. Much better to have them discover the body for her.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29692834/

Ill just lay it all out.

Here is the boyfriend being caught out in a huge lie during the trial. "I was on the computer". Oh no you werent. Try again.

Again, this guy is "innocent" yet he is lying in court about spending the night at his flat working on his computer. Do many innocent people do this?

http://www.medindia.net/news/One-Mor...am-49283-1.htm

Here is the part in the trial where after her and the boyfriend said they were home all night someone saw them outside on a basketball court 5 times between 2130 and 0000.

Yeah I have to admit even though I thought she was guilty, I got a little queasy when the verdict came down - thinking about the chance she might be innocent. But the last couple days after reading all the lies told by both of them, I fell extremely confident that they both had a significant role.

If they just throw that knife away and keep their mouths shut, they probably walk. Gotta be kicking themselves a little now. Maybe Solecito had a roommate who would have noticed the missing knife, or it was part of a set or something. But still that's much less damning than keeping it around and washing it with bleach or whatever they tried to do.

Yeah but that's the homeless guy who was a witness in another trial, and therefore can't be trusted.

For starters how about find a few cases where an innocent person tried to frame an acquaintance under police questioning? And gang members or mafia don't count. Has to be previously upstanding citizen who just got "intimidated" into trying to send an innocent person to jail for life.

excellent post, but you need to supply Poker91 with a videotape that clearly shows Amanda and Raff committing the murder. Because if not, this is just the biggest injustice in the world that they can even attempt to accuse her of this. The fact that she knew Meredith died from bleeding to death when nobody else did(perhaps letting it slip out accidently while she was doing handstands and cartwheels at the "corrupt" police dept), the fact that she was caught on camera entering the premises just prior to 8:30, the fact several people have linked Guede to the two of them days earlier is obviously all irrelevant.

I mean they are only prosecuting her because she is American. It's not like are trying to bring justice to this heinous crime. Hell, might as well say it, maybe the police dept had it in for Amanda and decided to kill Meredith themselves, set out a few days earlier to sell out of this universe chronic to Amanda and Raff so they would be so incapable of remebering anything consistently and then used witch like powers to infiltrate the minds of Amanda and Raff, forcing their mouths to tell to lie after lie after lie. Yeah, that sounds about right. Damn corrupt Italians. I knew it. Too bad I can't change my vote now.

I kinda feel bad saying this because of my criminal justice education, but I'm glad I wasn't on the jury because I have no problem with them being convicted although I can't definitively say how I would have voted.

It reminds me of the Kimbo v Houston Alexander fight last Saturday. Given the scoring criteria, i can see the fight being a draw, but I'm glad Kimbo won because I think he won overall.

Yes, this all makes perfect sense but I'm going to need to see a videotape of the cops planning and executing Meredith's murder. Sorry SOP in these situations. No videotape, no conviction.

Were any records or reciepts of early morning of cleaning supply purchases presented at her trial? If not why not?

I don't know the circumstances of this, and neither do you, but if you want to trust that fine Mignini fellow to provide accurate information on this feel free. Go ahead and trust him.

lol

Me too, I'm surprised the Attornies for Amanda and her BF didn't bring this guy to the trial to questioning. The fact that they didn't I find suspicious

Yes, there was a receipt in her room.

She admits she tried to frame the other guy. Her excuse when he was proven to be innocent was she was intimidated by the interpreter.