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Amanda Knox....Innocent American on trial in Italy or cold-blooded murderer? Amanda Knox....Innocent American on trial in Italy or cold-blooded murderer?
View Poll Results: Is Amanda Knox innocent or guilty of murdering Meredith Kercher in Perugia Italy?
There is reasonable doubt here and should be found not guilty.
381 26.89%
She is guilty as can be and should be found guilty.
550 38.81%
She is completely innocent and should be acquitted.
168 11.86%
Undecided
318 22.44%

12-09-2016 , 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by amead
None of these things are happening itt, certainly not to the degree to which you are continuously asserting. Just FYI.
A) Can you do me a favour?Stop dragging me back to this thread? I'd really appreciate that, as again I personally think there's nothing more to be said on Ms Kercher's case, unless either of the former defendants kill again, which will hopefully never happen.

B) http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...ostcount=24091
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Yet, you still find it completely acceptable for 'Guilter' low-lifes (including YOU & the KERCHERS) to have ruthlessly attacked INNOCENT Amanda and her family with blatant LIES non-stop since 2007. Indeed, you still find it acceptable to continue to attack Amanda even AFTER she has been fully exonerated.
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The Kercher family had hired an attack-dog attorney to spread obvious B$ into the Italian legal process, so the Kercher family bears direct responsibility for some of the harm that Amanda has had to endure.

YOU, the KERCHERS, and the rest of your miserable 'Guilters' scum can all rot in Hell!
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I'll be glad to ignore the evil Kercher clan once they crawl back under their rock and leave poor Amanda alone.
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As if Arline Kercher knows $hit from shinola, but she's probably right about the Italian judicial system being incompetent ...pity that Arline didn't recognize that fact earlier before her family unduly harassed the innocent friend of her deceased daughter.
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...ostcount=24129

That's just Krazy Ken's musings. I'm not gonna bother trawling through this gargantuan thread to find the other repugnant jokes re done in heads and being "moved like Meredith was moved" (Dr Chesspain).
I have never once engaged in such despicable attacks on murder victims or their families. And I'm dismissing such spurious, false and just plain daft assertions that I'm somehow worse than such posters, for blindingly obvious reasons unless empirical objective examples can be shown to the contrary- as in comments I've made which are worse than such obscene attacks and sick jokes- and good luck with that too.

I've said all I have to say on this case itt. I'm not the one resurrecting it due to a stalkerish combative bruised feelings agenda. Other posters are.
If posters stop responding to me, such as you just responded to me, then I'll happily return the favour as I'm not interested in internet drama nor am I spoiling for a fight due to hurt feelings and clogging up an already shoulda been locked thread with irrelevancies due to it, like some other people are.
So dunno what you want with me mate, but again I've no desire to comment on this thread anyway, so again if you could stop responding to me, then that would be great, cheers and anyone else whose feelings I've hurt should again use the ignore function, it's easier and less stressful than stalking and resurrecting dormant threads and elaborating on why I upset you so much and dictating on how I shouldn't be posting on a public message board, thanks.
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12-09-2016 , 12:47 PM
CV: I didn't "call for you to be banned" in the MAM thread. What I stated is that if I were a mod, I would warn you then ban you if you didn't change your approach.

You have done nothing but validate my opinion since.

You are easily the worst poster in both threads at this point and you lend nothing constructive or interesting to either one. You are not even remotely entertaining, so you don't even have that to fall back on.

Really, you have worn out your welcome. You are insufferable. You should leave the forum.
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12-09-2016 , 02:44 PM
Yeah KEN DINE was obv. a ******. He's been gone for like years or something. Time to move on.
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12-09-2016 , 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by +rep_lol
if you go to JRF or other pro-knox messageboards, you'll find a lot of twisted sociopaths who seem to revel in this ****, and it's a fact that lots of them came over to this forum and made accounts in large numbers in a concerted effort to sway public opinion.
That did happen, yes. A pro-Knox Facebook group enlisted people to spam the thread, and there was an Invasion of the Clockwork Locusts, which Dids duly nuked.
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12-09-2016 , 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by amead
This assertion was that the thread is a constant slew of "murder loving groupies" jerking off over Knox pictures while taunting the Kercher family and blaming the victim.

That just hasn't really been the case.
Not this thread so much. But Ken Dine!!! (I always forget if that's spelt with three exclamation marks or four) did say that the Kerchers should rot in hell, which is a freakish thing to say about a murder victim's family, and he quite noticeably used to drool over 'this innocent American college gal'.

Knox groupies do fall into a certain pattern, a racist and xenophobic pattern, and, for instance, saracastically4 on Twitter really did post, '**** that prissy British bitch. Meredith deserved to bleed out slowly -- like the li'l bitch she was!' And no Knox groupie ever has a problem with that kind of thing. Doug Bremner, brother of Friends of Amanda founder Anne Bremner (Doug is that classic character, the mad psychiatrist -- he's also an anti-vaxxer, incidentally), posted that 'What the Kerchers are doing to Amanda and Raffaele is like what Hitler did to the Jews.'

And that is mad, and obviously so. And these attacks on the victim's family by Knox supporters, which have been going on for many years now, all over the place, are an obvious attempt to take a vicarious percentage part in the crime. People who support celebrity defendants in that way do not do so because they believe those defendants to be innocent, but because they know them to be guilty and they approve and admire their crimes. Like Holocaust deniers.

Everybody knows that certain celebrity defendants attract these groupies. It was the basis of an episode of The Simpsons. Milhouse's sad-sack dad got arrested on suspicion of kidnap and murder, and the women of Springfield went nuts for him, picketing the jail with placards bearing marriage proposals and yelling at his cell window, 'I love how I've... heard of you!' And that's hybristophilia. And as soon as he was cleared they all lost interest and started calling him 'loser' again.

And the reason that worked as a joke is that everybody knows it's true. But in Knox's case some people like to pretend it's unheard of and it never happens.
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12-09-2016 , 06:01 PM
There may have been some unpleasant supporters of Amanda Knox (and Raffaele Sollecito), but I don't recall many of them 'admitting' Knox killed anyone.

It would seem that someone who was a 'murder groupie' would, you know, admire someone they thought committed a murder.
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12-09-2016 , 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted by amead
None of these things are happening itt, certainly not to the degree to which you are continuously asserting. Just FYI.
Corpus trying to link any of this stuff to Oski is definitely a fail.
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12-09-2016 , 07:09 PM
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Originally Posted by amead

None of these things are happening itt, certainly not to the degree to which you are continuously asserting. Just FYI.
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Originally Posted by corpus vile
A) Can you do me a favour? Stop dragging me back to this thread?

<long comment snipped>

So dunno what you want with me mate, but again I've no desire to comment on this thread anyway, so again if you could stop responding to me, then that would be great, cheers and anyone else... should again use the ignore function, it's easier and less stressful ...
Another rant about how someone is allegedly 'forcing' corpus vile into participating in a thread.

Corpus helpfully suggests people ignore his disingenuous and dubious posts.

Makes you wonder why corpus doesn't take his own advice, doesn't it?
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12-10-2016 , 07:03 AM
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Originally Posted by 57 On Red
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People who support celebrity defendants in that way do not do so because they believe those defendants to be innocent, but because they know them to be guilty and they approve and admire their crimes. Like Holocaust deniers.

Everybody knows that certain celebrity defendants attract these groupies. It was the basis of an episode of The Simpsons. Milhouse's sad-sack dad got arrested on suspicion of kidnap and murder, and the women of Springfield went nuts for him, picketing the jail with placards bearing marriage proposals and yelling at his cell window, 'I love how I've... heard of you!' And that's hybristophilia. And as soon as he was cleared they all lost interest and started calling him 'loser' again.

And the reason that worked as a joke is that everybody knows it's true. But in Knox's case some people like to pretend it's unheard of and it never happens.
This generalization I bolded is overly broad, and thus not true.

In the example that corpus vile keeps trying idiotically to link to the Kercher case I have no reason to believe that any of Steven Avery's supporters 'know' him to be guilty of the crimes he is charged with, or that any of them 'know' that Brendan Dassey is guilty of anything.

It's apparent to me that in the Halbach case people do believe the accused are innocent.

It seems irresponsible, reckless, and irrational to play internet psychologist and hand down such absurd diagnoses about tens of thousands of people one has never met, let alone had even a conversation with.
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12-10-2016 , 04:55 PM
lol it took you an hour to make those 3 consecutive posts and then you came back 12 hours later for a 4th one? (btw i didn't read any of them)

i think it's time to stop posting now dude
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12-10-2016 , 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by +rep_lol
lol it took you an hour to make those 3 consecutive posts and then you came back 12 hours later for a 4th one? (btw i didn't read any of them)

i think it's time to stop posting now dude
Maybe it's time you stopped reading, dude.

Oh, that's right - you're not reading the posts, just counting them and noting the times when they were posted.

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12-11-2016 , 12:07 AM
ya thats how it works when a thread gets bumped- i open it, see that proudfootz made the first new post, start scrolling down...oh look, proudfootz made #2, keep scrolling...you get the idea right?
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12-11-2016 , 09:02 AM
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Originally Posted by +rep_lol
ya thats how it works when a thread gets bumped- i open it, see that proudfootz made the first new post, start scrolling down...oh look, proudfootz made #2, keep scrolling...you get the idea right?
Yes, I get the idea you are OCD.

This site has a lot of threads getting bumped, I suppose it keeps you pretty busy.

Happy counting!
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12-11-2016 , 10:16 AM
lol i see that you just joined 4 months ago (so i'm sure you're totally not some random ****poster with a previously banned account...), but do you have any idea how forums/messageboards work?
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12-11-2016 , 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by +rep_lol
lol i see that you just joined 4 months ago (so i'm sure you're totally not some random ****poster with a previously banned account), but do you have any idea how forums/messageboards work?
Of course!

I respond to a post, present an argument or perhaps some matter of fact, and some posters respond to the content of my posts - some agreeing, some disagreeing and posting relevant content of their own.

Then there some trolls are likely to come along and start counting my posts, making remarks about my nym or avatar, or start accusing me of all sorts of things unrelated to what I posted.

It's pretty much the universal standard.

ETA - and some trolls get all worked up about how long I've been a member of the site.

Last edited by proudfootz; 12-11-2016 at 10:22 AM. Reason: one more thing...
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12-11-2016 , 10:28 AM
keep your posts limited to approx. 1 sentence if you want me to read them
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12-11-2016 , 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by +rep_lol
dude there's 28000 ****ing posts itt, you could have one poster requesting noodz or calling the kercher family garbage and saying they could rot in hell every single time he posts and it wouldnt be a drop in the collective bucket

fact is all that stuff happened more than once, by more than one poster (lots of the worst posts and accounts have been deleted btw), and several other posters who argued for her innocence appeared to be totally cool with it and/or shared those sentiments (because they handwaved or "well actually'd" about it when others said "wtf??").

so yea, you can criticize CV for being too emotionally invested in this case, or for posting ridicluous walls of text that nobody is gonna bother to read now months after the final verdict has been handed down, but i'm not gonna allow you to sit here and let the "murder groupies" as CV calls them off the hook. if you go to JRF or other pro-knox messageboards, you'll find a lot of twisted sociopaths who seem to revel in this ****, and it's a fact that lots of them came over to this forum and made accounts in large numbers in a concerted effort to sway public opinion. the tactics they have used in arguing for amanda knox's innocence have been downright despicable, and you are despicable for pretending that **** never happened. so shut the **** up idiot, nobody actually cares about what you have to say anyway.
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keep your posts limited to approx. 1 sentence if you want me to read them
No, I don't care if you read my posts.

Therefore there will be two sentences here, which will short circuit your reading comprehension skills.

This makes three - three sentences. Bwahahahaha!

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12-11-2016 , 11:29 AM
proudfoot please stop bumping this thread with low content carp (yes I realise I've just done that but if it gets you to stop it will be worth it).
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12-11-2016 , 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by jalfrezi
proudfoot please stop bumping this thread with low content carp (yes I realise I've just done that but if it gets you to stop it will be worth it).
You misspelled +rep_lol.

Meanwhile, here's an interesting article on 'fake news' and how it has impacted perceptions of the trial of Amanda Knox (and Raffaele Sollecito) for the murder of Meredith Kercher.

"Fake News Has Been Knox’s Main Weapon

Amanda Knox has been in the news a great deal recently, riding the crest of a PR-driven “exoneration” campaign

Currently this barrage of fake news culminates with the Netflix film six years in the making which was released worldwide on streaming media in Sept 2016. In the film, the factors that led to her so-called ‘wrongful conviction’ (she claims) included Nick Pisa’s tabloid reportage..."


http://www.truejustice.org/ee/index....elps_generate/
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12-21-2016 , 11:22 AM
In the movie it mentions how her boyfriend changed his statement to say that Amanada didn't join him until 1am that night, when originally they had said they were together all evening right?

Is this true? What time was the murder? What is Amanda's full alibi?
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12-21-2016 , 06:38 PM
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Originally Posted by martinwilson
In the movie it mentions how her boyfriend changed his statement to say that Amanada didn't join him until 1am that night, when originally they had said they were together all evening right?

Is this true? What time was the murder? What is Amanda's full alibi?
I haven't kept up on what her current story is.

But it is true that Sollecito withdrew his alibi for Knox, and that is when she admitted she was on the scene when the murder was committed and she accused her boss Patrick Lumumba of killing Meredith.

The consensus of the experts who testified and other considerations put the likely attack at about 11:30 PM.

"Evidence with regards to biological trace evidence, telephones, computers and witness statements, for example were also introduced to the court and are detailed in the Massei Report. After careful consideration and weighing of all the facts the court concluded that Rudy Guede, Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito entered the house at 7 Via della Pergola at around 23.00 hrs [Page 361] and Meredith was murdered shortly after 23.30 on 1st November 2007 [Page 382]. "

http://www.truejustice.org/ee/index....eredith_passe/
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01-12-2017 , 04:02 AM
So what really happened?
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01-12-2017 , 05:01 AM
The lack of AK dna in the murder room makes me believe she didn't directly do it. But wtf with:

turning phones off
shopping for cleaning supplies
bf's computer showing no activity that night

?
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01-12-2017 , 10:37 PM
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Originally Posted by DGAF
The lack of AK dna in the murder room makes me believe she didn't directly do it. But wtf with:

turning phones off
shopping for cleaning supplies
bf's computer showing no activity that night

?
it's been awhile but

phones: never fully explained afaik.

shopping for cleaning supplies: relied on the testimony of only 1 witness, not sure it was even considered admissible in the end, no receipt found or anything like that (edit: technically 2 witnesses as Raf's cleaning lady was on record saying that post-murder she found new cleaning supplies at Raf's place including bleach which she didnt personally ever use)

bf's computer: a movie or music playlist was kept on loop, dunno if it was a red herring or what. the controversy was that he said he slept until 10-11am and the computer showed activity at ~7am, the defense maintained maybe the cat walked on the keyboard or something

it's been so long that i mighta flubbed some details but im sure someone will correct me where im wrong.

i think there is a somewhat strong consensus (from ppl who don't think she was completely innocent) that Amanda definitely lied about a lot of things for reasons unknown, but it's not likely she physically participated in the murder. it's still possible she participated in some clean up or break-in staging.
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01-13-2017 , 01:40 AM
Missed the latest corpus meltdown from December, thanks for the bump.

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fun fact that some new/casual readers may not know-

239 was eventually banned for his dishonesty itt and it was the "guilters" who advocated for him to be unbanned after the final cassation verdict came in. pretty funny that he continued to lurk this thread even after being exiled (probably has a 2nd acct tbh) because he showed right back up when he was finally allowed to
Banned for dishonesty? Lol. You're a moron.

Corpus is a good representation of most guilters.
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