With robotics and artificial intelligence on the rise how far do you think we are away from humans not having to work?

Thanks.

When dead.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-42170100

Robot automation will 'take 800 million jobs by 2030' - report


If robots take all our jobs what jobs will remain for humans?

Given that there are 5 billion jobs, and growing, in the world, the loss of 800 million jobs over the next 10 years doesn't mean there won't be any work for people to do.

There are plenty of jobs that are difficult, or impossible, to automate.

The main question is what's gonna happen to all the people who do driving for a living of any type. It's supposed to be a huge workforce for adult men in the US that will be out of work in a decade or two. That's gonna be a big one for the US workforce to recover from with the info I've gotten.

What are these 5 billion jobs you speak of?

How do we make up for the lost of 800 million jobs?

We've already reached the point in many societies at which many humans don't have to work. Few people are satisfied with the lifestyle that no income other than whatever social safety net their society has set up affords, however. Therefore, most humans seek to work, even when they don't have to. This is unlikely to change as a social norm for long after human labor becomes less significant to the global economy.

How many jobs will they create?

There are plenty of job lists you can look up using google. They include everything from selling hemorrhoid cream to your mom, to creating the porn you watch in her basement.

It’s not as if no new jobs are going to be created. Someone has to design all this cool new automation. There are countless Jobs that rely on hand craftsmanship. There are countless jobs that require human interaction. Then of course these new AI robots are going to want pets. Not sure if being a pet is a job?

Emotional support human? A new business opportunity for golfnutt!

AI should have complete control of the planet by the end of the century. Humans probably won't be around any more, so I guess, in a sense, that's when we won't have to work any more.

Depends on how you define "many". 1% of the populace is still many people. But there is no way that a large percentage of society could simply stop working and rely on their country's social safety net. At some point food production would be too low to sustain everyone. And it's not just the lack of workers directly involved with food production and distribution that would be a problem, but also lack of workers in the intricate network of supporting industries such as machinery, fuel and energy, mining and extraction, medical care, etc. And then there are all the supporting industries for those things.

No, the fact that some can now choose not to work is only because the vast majority do still work.

I think you're missing my point, which is "people will still seek to work, even as the percentage of humans needing to work to keep the system working declines."

I'm not saying that we've already reached the point at which a minority of workers could support a majority who don't, and certainly not one in which no humans would have to work. Rather, I'm saying that most people want to work, or at least to live a lifestyle that requires income beyond a safety net. That is unlikely to change as the percentage of people that safety net could support increases.

OK, well to me I read the OP as asking about when all of humanity can stop working, which is either when we have created sentient AI and enslaved it, or we're all dead, or the AI takes over and keeps us around as pets. The least dystopian thing I can think of is when we all have something like the replicators and holodeck of Star Trek, and free energy to power them.

On a different note, what happens when there is no work for those people who still want to work? Maybe here the dividing line between work and leisure gets blurry. Even now, is someone who plays video games on Twitch for a living "working"?

when humans stop working they start collaborating.

Luddites unite!

You ever seen a guy playing video games for 40 hours a week? It not all fun and rainbows.





edit: Just realized there's a series of these from this same guy lol.

The Tuff Fish of online gaming.

What's funny is he was also the Tarlor Caby of COD strat a decade ago.

All I want to know is does he ever say "**** me to God damn tears" in any of his videos?

is that LKJ?

There are many different reasons for people to work - in addition to money, many jobs give people self-esteem, socialisation, and other benefits as well as just money.

Depending how you define "work", there are many people who can stop working today - because they're content to live on various combinations of charity/welfare/savings/etc.

It's a nonsense statistic. Robots (and other tools) increase human productivity, and increase human wealth, not reduce it.

There have been many tools that have been invented for literally millions of years which make people more productive, and there are now more jobs on the planet with more prosperity on the planet than ever before.

Yah - there's a good chance that will be a big change. Over the last 200years, the US workforce has changed from ~90% farmers to ~2% farmers. The consequence hasn't been "farmers are unemployed" but rather, "development of a huge range of new jobs that weren't even imagined 20 years ago, let alone 200 years ago".

All of this. I imagine that the standard number of hours worked will continue to decline, but if the number of actual jobs declines, it will be because people don't want to work, not because they can't. And no one will miss those driving jobs any more than people miss the elevator operator jobs that automation took away in the 50s.

Edit: I'm talking long-term here. Obviously the disruptive effects of entire industries going away will be tough in the short-term. Even if some of the extra economic productivity is distributed to former workers to help them retrain, etc., there will be some people who aren't able to move to different careers for whatever reason and will face hard times.

Perhaps we can think about reversing the continual increases in retirement age made because there would not be enough workers in the future.

And/or introduce a 4-day week.

Interesting that you can read the "robots will take all our jerbs" articles and the "we need to retire at 70 because there won't be people to do the jobs with an aging population" articles just by flicking a few pages forward or back in the same magazine.