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02-17-2015 , 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Yakmelk
You a pretty cool guy Spaceman. I thought the standup bit was pretty good for an unknown and that stage/setting, were you very nervous at that time ? What do you feel you should do differently in that specific set ?
I was very nervous and stressed out for the 3 weeks from when I found out I was booked to when I got to the comedy club. Just so much riding on this one chance. But once I got to Gotham, the production and club staff were very cool, and the other comics were extremely friendly and that put me at ease.

I wouldn't change much about this specific set because it all worked pretty well. I had a ton of bits that I obsessed over included or excluding, so I guess it would be interesting to see how they would've fared compared to these, but I can't complain with the result.

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Originally Posted by JaredL
Going to a party Saturday to celebrate a couple friends' birthdays. They came up with the great idea of doing comedy covers. So people pick their favorite comedy bits and perform them. There will probably be about 40 people there, pretty evenly distributed between friends, friends of friends I know and friends of friends that are strangers.

Any performance suggestions for someone who has never done stand up? Any prep I should do beyond watching a lot of clips of the people I'm covering? I have seen all of the bits I'm doing about a million times and have them memorized almost verbatim. I've also recorded the audio of me/us doing them, which has helped a lot.

In case you're wondering, I'm doing these bits:
- Who's on First
- Hannibal Burress - New Orleans
- Bill Burr - Most Difficult Job on the Planet
- DeMetri Martin - shoe store, sweater vests, kids, swimming plus a couple other short ones
- 3 or 4 minutes of my favorite Mitch Hedberg stuff, mostly from Strategic Grill Locations

I'd love to hear your suggestions for another good bit to cover, though TBH I'm not sure I'll have time to prepare it. I've been amazed how long it takes to get this stuff down, and that's starting at the very end of the process taking something someone else has polished. I definitely have a greater appreciation for how hard comedians work.
That sounds really cool. You should do a Norm MacDonald bit, since he is the man. The lottery bit is pretty good (starts at 5:57): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssJm06nUeKo

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Originally Posted by PoundingTheUnder
you seem like a pretty socially competent person. do you find that's unusual in the comedy world?

somebody had a riff on that saying in the real world most comedians would be the creepy guy at work who makes waaay too many rape jokes.
Actually, most comics I know seem to be pretty normal people. I think the stereotype that most comics are depressed weirdos isn't true.


There are some comments on my pacing, and that is one thing I would like to improve on if I could do this over. I had to rely on time cues from the director and I was running a little long when I got my "2 minutes remaining" card, so I had to speed up a little to get to the end. I did consider cutting the 80% joke for time, but I'm glad I didn't because the interaction with the woman in the audience was a nice surprise. I ended up going almost a minute long, but the director didn't put up the "wrap" card (meaning "wrap it up") until right as I was finishing my last joke, so he gave me some leeway since I had a couple long applause breaks. I've watched a bunch of episodes and timed some other comics, and it is pretty common for comics to go long on this show so this wasn't a big deal.
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02-17-2015 , 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by PokerDharma


Definitely don't listen to ths guy. I enjoyed the 80% joke, and how you handled the heckler. Not a train wreck, maybe some timing improvement at best, but a good joke that everyone can relate to.
Yeah, that was a funny and smart joke. You seem like a person who belongs on tv.
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02-17-2015 , 11:49 AM
I really enjoyed your delivery as well, I thought you sounded relaxed and confident.
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02-17-2015 , 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by lonely_but_rich


Yeah, that was a funny and smart joke. You seem like a person who belongs on tv.
Thanks! I'd really love to break into the industry, but just don't know how to go about it. I think I could be a pretty strong actor, maybe not leading man material, but definitely one of those guys you like and recognize, but don't know their name.
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02-17-2015 , 11:59 AM
To illustrate how big this opportunity was for me, this is what I was doing the night before. Waiting to get on the late night show at the Comic Strip, where the audience was 2 Australian ladies, a guy from Chile, and a comic who was playing with himself.

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02-17-2015 , 12:11 PM
I enjoyed your set. Nice job.

I will say that I remember a similar "hair piece/herpes" joke from a Cheech and Chong movie. I have no idea how much that matters, but thought you might want to know.
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02-17-2015 , 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by 13ball
I enjoyed your set. Nice job.

I will say that I remember a similar "hair piece/herpes" joke from a Cheech and Chong movie. I have no idea how much that matters, but thought you might want to know.
Thanks, that has been brought to my attention. I actually was made aware of the Cheech and Chong thing after I posted the joke on reddit about a year ago. But I researched it and saw it was used in an obscure film (anything other than "Up In Smoke" is probably known to less than 1% of the population) that came out before I was born. Then I googled the joke and basically only found some defunct website based on the same premise. Considering you could google just about any form of wordplay or punchline and find tons of hits online, I figured this was actually quite unused and therefore I don't have a problem keeping it in my set.

On the other hand, I had a joke that someone mentioned was similar to a Bill Engvall joke and I stopped using that joke immediately, since he is a very well known stand up comic and the joke was used in a TV special.

It is hard in stand up not to have similar jokes as other comics because of parallel thinking. I can't tell you how many comics I see doing "my wife got mad at me for something I did in a dream!" It's definitely something I try to avoid.
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02-17-2015 , 12:32 PM
Personally the Sting prison joke was the only one that I thought didn't land well.
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02-17-2015 , 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Dr. Spaceman
On the other hand, I had a joke that someone mentioned was similar to a Bill Engvall joke and I stopped using that joke immediately, since he is a very well known stand up comic and the joke was used in a TV special.
which one was it
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02-17-2015 , 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Biesterfield
Personally the Sting prison joke was the only one that I thought didn't land well.
Until the very end I thought it was about a Singh. Made sense with the tantric sex but couldn't understand why there would be singing involved.
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02-17-2015 , 12:42 PM
Congrats on the opportunity. Some stand-up makes me cringe, and this was pretty non-cringey. Solid stage presence. One minor critique - at the end during the applause, seemed a bit weird that you were still holding the mic in speaking position as if you were going to have to say something else. Maybe you had to or something after it cut, but that looked a bit stiff.

Impressed though, based on what you said about your experience. Definitely wouldn't have thought twice that you were a pro if I saw that.
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02-17-2015 , 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Rei Ayanami
which one was it
Something about mixing up the words "anecdote" and "antidote." The jokes were different, but it was too close to use. I didn't think I had ever seen him do that joke, because I'm not really familiar with his stuff, but I must have seen it somewhere and had it seep into my memory.

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Originally Posted by amead
Congrats on the opportunity. Some stand-up makes me cringe, and this was pretty non-cringey. Solid stage presence. One minor critique - at the end during the applause, seemed a bit weird that you were still holding the mic in speaking position as if you were going to have to say something else. Maybe you had to or something after it cut, but that looked a bit stiff.

Impressed though, based on what you said about your experience. Definitely wouldn't have thought twice that you were a pro if I saw that.
We were instructed to stand there at the end of the set and wait until they were clear to commercial. If you watch the show, every comic stands there like that and looks a bit silly.
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02-17-2015 , 12:55 PM
I actually saw your set live on TV, it was solid! Good work.

How hard is it to get passed at a club like the comedy cellar?
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02-17-2015 , 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Dr. Spaceman
Thanks, that has been brought to my attention. I actually was made aware of the Cheech and Chong thing after I posted the joke on reddit about a year ago. But I researched it and saw it was used in an obscure film (anything other than "Up In Smoke" is probably known to less than 1% of the population) that came out before I was born. Then I googled the joke and basically only found some defunct website based on the same premise. Considering you could google just about any form of wordplay or punchline and find tons of hits online, I figured this was actually quite unused and therefore I don't have a problem keeping it in my set.

On the other hand, I had a joke that someone mentioned was similar to a Bill Engvall joke and I stopped using that joke immediately, since he is a very well known stand up comic and the joke was used in a TV special.

It is hard in stand up not to have similar jokes as other comics because of parallel thinking. I can't tell you how many comics I see doing "my wife got mad at me for something I did in a dream!" It's definitely something I try to avoid.
Cool. I agree it is a pretty obscure movie and I probably only remember it because I had a friend who thought it was the funniest thing ever and repeated it ad nauseum when we were growing up.
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02-17-2015 , 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by hansmolman
I actually saw your set live on TV, it was solid! Good work.

How hard is it to get passed at a club like the comedy cellar?
Thanks! By the way, if anyone wants to watch it, they will replay it on Wednesday night at 12:30 AM. If you're not sure if you get AXS TV, you can check here: Find AXS TV

To get passed at the Comedy Cellar, you first need to be recommended to the owner by 1 or 2 of their regulars. Then maybe you get an audition and hopefully you kill it. That's all I know about it, so it might be more complicated than that. The lineup is dominated by the same regulars who have been there for years, like Nick DiPalo, Jim Norton, Colin Quinn, Keith Robinson, Godfrey, etc. But lately they've added some good young comics like Mark Normand, Harrison Greenbaum, and Sam Morril.
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02-17-2015 , 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by PokerDharma


Definitely don't listen to ths guy. I enjoyed the 80% joke, and how you handled the heckler. Not a train wreck, maybe some timing improvement at best, but a good joke that everyone can relate to.

This guy 's just pissed cuz he's stuck plugging the 80%.
The audience groaned when he said it, and it likely had nothing to do with having their feelings hurt. It makes him look arrogant which is going to make a lot of people extra critical of everything you say. If it was well executed you can get away with being cocky but it wasn't that really that strong.

It's almost like you acknowledged how painful it was by having a pre rehearsed self deprecating follow up with "guess you can tell im not so great at talkign to the ladies"...but it was weak because it didn't sound natural or genuine.
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02-17-2015 , 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Abbaddabba
The audience groaned when he said it, and it likely had nothing to do with having their feelings hurt. It makes him look arrogant which is going to make a lot of people extra critical of everything you say. If it was well executed you can get away with being cocky but it wasn't that really that strong.

It's almost like you acknowledged how painful it was by having a pre rehearsed self deprecating follow up with "guess you can tell im not so great at talkign to the ladies"...but it was weak because it didn't sound natural or genuine.
Hmmm... I'll have to give it another listen then. Standby.
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02-17-2015 , 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by #Thinman
ok, i liked it a little. i'm pretty critical on stand up though. seems like you are on your way though and looked really comfortable on stage.

my criticism is voice/tone. everything was the same pitch/tone. thinking voice, other people, frap clerk...it was all your voice/tone/cadence. you don't need impersonations, but i need to be able to tell you are talking third person without thinking about it.

good job though and congrats.
to expand on this and maybe go into a little more detail, you really do seem to have the same voice for just about everything. i went back and watched your best man speech and it was a lot of the same (as far as tone goes). i'd rewatch it and look specifically at how you time/tone your jokes and it's all very consistent. i feel like the best comedians are able to vary with tone and speed bc i feel like once you're doing longer sets it will all just feel very repetitive. you've always seemed like a super cool guy and i thought you did great so congrats , i do have two questions-

1) what is the process of writing a set like this like? do you work on jokes on an individual basis first and then try to tie them back together afterwards? i've always felt like the best comedy had context, so for example- had that girl said something about the 80% you could have still improv'd with your "she must be from NJ" and gotten a laugh bc of the NY crowd, but the earlier joke (obviously) made it that much funnier- how much of that goes into your thoughts when coming up with jokes?

2) how much of your set do you improve/mess with on the spot. like are you ever in the middle of telling a joke and notice something based on prior crowd reaction or just think of something in your head and tweak your jokes at all?
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02-17-2015 , 04:58 PM
Elon,

Too bad the audience didn't have many Sting fans. I thought that was hilarious with the intro to that as the punchline to the joke, but less funny having to explain that he's into tantric sex.

Edit: I also agree with the voice comments.
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02-17-2015 , 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Dr. Spaceman
Thanks! By the way, if anyone wants to watch it, they will replay it on Wednesday night at 12:30 AM. If you're not sure if you get AXS TV, you can check here: Find AXS TV
I just set my DVR. FYI it is on Thursday 12:30AM, not Wednesday 12:30AM.
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02-17-2015 , 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Dr. Spaceman
I can get away with pushing some boundaries because I have a pretty non-threatening look. I do a joke about England that got one soccer hooligan to tell me "if I wasn't so nice I would punch your teeth in" but I think he was only half-serious. Otherwise, I've never had any problems with physical or even verbal confrontations.
It's interesting you mentioned this. I always felt the same way. I could get away with some edgy stuff because I looked like a 15 year old and it also added some shock value I think.


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I consider myself more of a writer than a performer (although the performing side has improved a lot over the last year or two), so coming up with material hasn't usually been a problem. I don't sit down and write, I just jot down notes in my phone when I think of a funny idea and then come back later and try to flesh it out before a show or mic where I'm trying some new things. Twitter is a good place to write short jokes, and if something gets a good reaction you can expand on it.
Thanks for sharing. I usually just jot ideas down as well but always felt that wasn't enough. I really need to take the time to turn all of my concepts into jokes.

Would you be up for critiquing one of my sets? We have a similar humor from what I saw in this set so I'd love some feedback from you.
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02-17-2015 , 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by GeoffRas22
to expand on this and maybe go into a little more detail, you really do seem to have the same voice for just about everything. i went back and watched your best man speech and it was a lot of the same (as far as tone goes). i'd rewatch it and look specifically at how you time/tone your jokes and it's all very consistent. i feel like the best comedians are able to vary with tone and speed bc i feel like once you're doing longer sets it will all just feel very repetitive. you've always seemed like a super cool guy and i thought you did great so congrats , i do have two questions-

1) what is the process of writing a set like this like? do you work on jokes on an individual basis first and then try to tie them back together afterwards? i've always felt like the best comedy had context, so for example- had that girl said something about the 80% you could have still improv'd with your "she must be from NJ" and gotten a laugh bc of the NY crowd, but the earlier joke (obviously) made it that much funnier- how much of that goes into your thoughts when coming up with jokes?

2) how much of your set do you improve/mess with on the spot. like are you ever in the middle of telling a joke and notice something based on prior crowd reaction or just think of something in your head and tweak your jokes at all?
1) Every joke here was written individually. I'll look at the jokes I want to do in a set and arrange them based on how they fit thematically with each other so the transitions aren't too clunky.

I think without the earlier joke, the NJ put down would not have hit too hard. It definitely needed the context of the earlier joke. Most callbacks are planned, so if I have a good callback I'll try to put the first joke early in a set so the callback can take place near the end. You need them to be spaced apart enough or it loses some of the effect, but not too far apart where the audience forgets the initial joke.

2) In an important set like this, I try to stick exactly to what I plan to say. Crowd work or improvisation on live TV is a risky proposition. In this case, the NJ callback came to me after she made her comment and I decided that it was worth saying even though it was off the script.

If it's a normal show at a club though, I'll go off course if something pops into my head. Some of my jokes were improved based on lines that started as improv on stage.


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Originally Posted by El Diablo
Elon,

Too bad the audience didn't have many Sting fans. I thought that was hilarious with the intro to that as the punchline to the joke, but less funny having to explain that he's into tantric sex.

Edit: I also agree with the voice comments.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8k2AAMTZKo

Yeah, never enough Sting fans. And then there are some people who probably think of Sting, the WWE wrestler.

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Would you be up for critiquing one of my sets? We have a similar humor from what I saw in this set so I'd love some feedback from you.
Sure, send me a PM or post it here.
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02-17-2015 , 05:39 PM
Elon,

Just watched the video and really enjoyed it.

If I were forced to offer a critique, I think it would be more of a rhythm of delivery rather than voice. But that said, I'd pay to see you in a comedy club and feel I had gotten my money's worth as is.

Good luck going forward and thanks for sharing your experience.
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02-17-2015 , 08:00 PM
I watch a lot of stand-up and I thought this was quite good. I even laughed out loud a few times.
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02-17-2015 , 08:17 PM
That was pretty funny. Great job Dr.
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