teh drug is called Ibogaine:

"Ibogaine is now used by treatment clinics in 12 countries on six continents to faciltate detoxification and chemical dependence to substances such as methadone, heroin, alcohol, powder cocaine, crack cocaine, and methamphetamine, as well as to facilitate psychological introspection and spiritual exploration."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibogaine


If memory serves me correctly, for $10,000 it can be taken at Harvard

hmmm, I think Doctors can just take a cert. course to be able to prescribe subs. That's why so many of them are around now. At any rate, that's a good thing.

Anyway, I shot dope for 6 or so yrs. and was on methadone for over 8(not including a couple 90/180 day deals). When I got off meth I dropped down from 120mg to 40mg in like 2mos. After that I dropped by 1mg every 2wks.(on avg.) When I finally walked off my program I had almost no w/d except for about a week of slightly restless sleep. I was incredibly anxious, afraid really, and was definitely expecting worse. The mental **** is unreal!! That was about 5-6yrs ago and save for one short relapse when my wife was diagnosed with leukemia(she died) where I just needed to not feel I've been clean.

I remember reading somewhere that doctors are limited to a certain amount of patients they can have on suboxone. It that's true it kinda makes me think that not just any doctor that takes a cert class can do it... I could be wrong though.

Good luck OP opiate withdrawal is something I wish upon no one. Hopefully one day you'll bump this thread with good news.

I mean what could I possibly know? I've only been on it and asked my doc about it...actually thru 2 docs. 1 was a gen. surgeon and 1 was internal medicine. They see you once a month for a few minutes(bp/weight)/write a script and make like a 100 a visit. my first doc would only take cash for sub patients paid upfront before each visit. there's your reason they go take the class/training. it's a cash cow for a lot of them. and i'm sure some want to help people. one of my friends was going to see a shady doc who was offering to see him for free if he'd refer x number of people for his sub program. does your reg. doc ever offer you deals like that? if you're ever bored google around a little bit. lots of shadiness in that biz.

The doc that oversaw my meth program(s) was board certified in addiction, awesome doctor. he's actually pretty well known in that world.

Update: Just spent Mon afternoon until this afternoon in a detox/recovery center. I'm doing really good but now that i'm thinking sober thoughts I'm starting to realize i'm not gonna be able to stay clean on my own. The temptation is still there and I just feel like I need to find a whole new purpose in life if i'm every going to remain clean. I don't know if that makes sense to all of you but those of you who have suffered through addiction can probably relate.

I'm currently trying to decide between two 6-12 month inpatient rehab facilities. One of them is in Philly and one is in Atlanta.

wow, , long time in a rehab

how much does that cost??

also if u still have needle marks in ur shoot up areas can we get pics of that, i find that interesting

do you feel posting itt is helping you to have somewhere to speak about it, or is it more of a negative reminder when you come into OOT (or 2p2/the internet in general i guess)?

That doesn't make sense to me, but I would love if you (or Benny) could extrapolate. Are you saying you need a new hobby/passion to keep your mind off of dope? Or is it something deeper then that?

Also, general question re:Suboxone. I first heard about it listening to the Stern show when Artie was detailing his battles with heroin and he said a doctor put him on Subutex. He claimed that the first time he got really sick (right before the Sagat roast, maybe a year ago?) it was because he shot up too soon after taking a Subutex. I was wondering if this is a common warning (wait x hours after taking one to shoot up) or if it's likely BS.

thanks man, i appreciate it. i take it mostly for pain, started on it because other pain meds weren't working and my doctor is pretty liberal/offbeat when it comes to prescribing pain medication. he once prescribed me a bigass bottle of liquid vicodin for a common flu once. i have like half a bottle left, keep telling myself i'm not going to get it refilled, but then i make it through like a week of withdrawal symptoms til i can't take it any more. the pain gets pretty bad too, over the counter stuff doesn't seem to help, so i either start drinking heavily or smoking a lot of weed. after this happens, i say to myself, well, methadone is a better alternative than those

it sucks dick. when I stop taking it, i'm also unable to work, which is another bad problem. almost lost my job last time i tried to quit because i took several days off during the busiest season of the year at my work

No, the encouragement and good words I get from people actually do mean something to me and I appreciate it, and the insensitive people are easy to ignore. I definitely like helping people who may have questions or problems of their own.. i've gotten several PMs from people with drug problems that wanted to have private conversations and it makes me happy I can help.

It's something deeper than that. I feel if I were to go out of state for a good 6-12 months, it would help. The treatment centers aren't what you may think. You're allowed to leave and are given a job off premises so you make money while you're there. I feel like I just need to go an entirely new direction and just start appreciating life more. Sorry it's just hard to explain... an addict's mind needs a long time to fully turn back to normal. I mean a simple detox isn't enough to kick heroin. I need to continue speaking to counselors,eating well, exercising, and just going back to being me. I mean I was an honor grad from high school, I feel as if i'm intelligent and if I can get through this I'd have a second chance of living a meaningful life.

Suboxone and Subutex are different. Subuxone has a blocker in it so I believe if you try to shoot it, it will put you into withdrawl. Subutex however is easily abused. I know a few people on suboxone and they basically just don't help me. You're supposed to wait until you're really getting bad off before you take it, but it still seems to make me worse. Add to that, if you do heroin after the subuxone it doesn't work/makes you sick. wetwork, benny or someone else may be better to answer the suboxone/subutex questions.

A friend of mine had a alcohol/crack problem and after getting clean became an addictions counsellor. Who better to give advice than someone who's been there?

From someone on this side of the law, take down incriminaing stuff right away.

You wouldn't believe what the law can use against you... BUT IT'S YOUR LIFE so do what you want.

Good luck.

My previous post was pretty assholish, I freely admit.

I do have to wonder why the warm fuzzies here. Anybody under the age of 70 who grew up in the United States knew from childhood the heroin is not something to **** with. It is the cultural benchmark for addictive substances and is known as a killer by schoolchildren.

I wish you luck Layzie. Hope you can stay clean.

But I don't have any sympathy for you. You knew what you were getting into, you thought you could dodge the bullet that killed tens of thousands. Now you know better.

Thanks but I've been having a problem finding where anyone in this thread including me has asked for sympathy, or when anyone with an addiction in this thread hasn't claimed they were ultimately responsible.

But yeah, thanks again.

Yeah in my opinion addiction counselors who are former addicts are really the only ones qualified/only ones that can truly understand an addict.

ChipWrecked,

Do you smoke cigarettes, or have any close friends or family members that do? Just curious.

(No, not comparing cigarettes to heroin, obviously not the same thing)

Also, if I were addicted to prescription morphine instead of heroin, would you feel different about the situation?

Ignore the douche.

Have you seen Trainspotting? If yes what do you think about it?

Maybe/probably a stupid question, but how does getting off cigarette addition compare to quitting heroin?
I'm not saying it's the same thing in any way, but just to get a feeling for what it's like; I quit last summer after smoking for 10 years and it's still tough for me a lot of the time.

Why no drugs from people you don't know. guess I can understand for herion but do people get offended and rat you out if you ask them for weed? I sort of take it as a compliment when people ask me for it

Hey guys, its great your sharing and working. But how about a post that ive been off it for a few days? thats what id like to read. im off for two days and feel like **** but know it will pass. think of your families , think of them coming to your funeral and how devastated they will be. you guys have to do this. im not judging you, the only difference between you and i is i never made the mistake of trying something so addicting. so its not about that. as far as I know you only get one life, and your families and people who love you only have one you. dont **** up.

Yes I saw Trainspotting, I didn't really like it. Not because of inaccuracies or anything like that I just don't understand why so many people love it so much.

Heroin and nicotine addiction are definitely two different things and it's really hard to draw comparisons that would make any sense to a smoker who hasn't had an opiate problem

Today's my sixth day clean. Have you read the thread? I just got out of detox and am looking to go to an inpatient program. My family is my life.

no i havent , or i guess i was looking at the other guys recent stuff. thats awesome. you are the man then.

sort of like this...



fwiw i was into OC pretty deep for only 6 months and i've had the exact same thoughts.

fwiw i stopped cold off taking 2mg of sub a day for 4 months. i heard horror stories but it ended up just being a couple weeks of restless legs and sleepless nights.

it will be nothing, i'm sure, compared to what you've been through.