Read pages 1,2 and 7.

Just gotta say... wow. Congrats on sticking through it all and staying strong. We should all chip in and send layzie a thanksgiving turkey imo!


I'd like to know more about drug dealers specifically, and where it comes from. This has always been something I've been curious about.

I knew a fair amount of drug dealers in high school but it was exclusively weed and they were little more than high school dropouts or kids 18-22 who still lived at home and were basically GODS to us(loolllllllllllll)

But what about the harder stuff? I know some 'grownups' addicted to coke and I always wonder, where are they getting it from? I wouldn't even know the first thing about trying to find cocaine in my area. I'm guessing Google isn't giving up much.

Are dealers 9-5ers who do this on the side? Are heroin dealers big players who 'know people' or what?

sure there are 9 to 5 guys who deal on the side.. basically what ive done my whole adult life.

i live in virginia beach where heroin isnt that available, but norfolk and portsmouth are flooded with it. lets say someone with a heroin addiction just moved here all the sudden and knows nobody. all you have to do is drive to one of the ghetto, high crime neighborhoods, and just cruise through...the heroin will find you more than likely. from there you can get a phone number so that way next time you come thru theyd be expecting you. same with crack/cocaine.

IME heroin dealing is alot more profitable than cocaine, and they tend to be a whole lot more organized than cocaine dealers as well. dealers come in all diff shapes, here are some examples of my previous connections:

-my primary connection, two brothers. one stays awake real late the other wakes up real early. i call one of them (num changes weekly) and they tell me where to meet one of their runners...similar to the wire except these guys dont stand out there directing traffic...in fact i hadnt even seen either one of them in like 3 years cause they were pretty smart

- backup number 1: guy who basically just drives around all day serving people. hes a one man operation not nearly on the scale as the two brothers.

-9 to 5'er: can only call him at 7am or after 5pm.

-friends of the two brothers: there is like 5 diff guys that work for the brothers and live scattered around the area. their bags are a little smaller than going straight to the source but its sometimes more convienient to call them.

Did you "plan ahead" and buy a big bag or bundle? Or do addicts just run out of cash real quick and have to scrounge up money everyday like depicted on TV?

Seems like buying in bulk would have numerous advantages but there is a chance it would all get used up quick.

Fascinating. The number changes weekly, are those prepaid phones then?

What were they like? Young, old? White? Black? Did they seem pretty straight edged themselves or were they kind of wild? Were the runners super shady dudes ever? Every weed grower I've ever known has been 80% nerdy and 20% stoner but I'm guessing with h it's not like that at all. Did you get a sense that the two brothers were loaded? Like 6 figs a year?

On this note, if someone gets pulled over and the police report says they have 7 TracFones (pre-paid wireless) in the trunk, what are the chances they are a drug dealer?

I know at least with coke 99% of people can't plan ahead because they will do their whole stash. When buying pot I always bought an ounce given anything under is the same legal penalty and I had to interface with a dealer less often. That being said most users can't do this with addictive hard drugs.

Really depended on my situation at that time... did I have a job? did I have commitments I had to be well for? how much money was I making, or how many people was I scoring for and making cop fees.

In my later years I got a lot better at buying bulk and making it last, but obviously I am an addict and it didn't always work. At some points I might have a couple friends who called me everyday because I was able to get the best dope at the time, and of course if you score for someone they have to look out for you.


Yeah prepaid phones. The two brothers were black and in their twenties. They both smoked weed and I occasionally traded them nuggets for dope. they were pretty sharp and def didn't touch the dope. None of the serious and successful dealers use.


very good chance

Yeah buying pot in bulk definitely is a lot easier. Never been much in to coke but with dope you have to plan ahead at least a little..you don't wanna reach the point where you can't even function properly. when you're really dope sick you have a better chance of speeding or not following traffic signals and getting pulled over while you're copping, so it's best to do a little planning so you know you have at least a tiny bit for the morning to get off E.

Drugs are excellent

Hey guys this is the OP... at some point I lost my password or something. Can't really remember what happened but I think a lot of people had the same problem a few years back.

Anyways I relapsed after being heroin free for about 5 years. Wound up in jail with another felony (#5 across 3 states) possession charge. I finally got bond on my third appeal after detoxing in the can for 3 weeks. I have a great lawyer who has a small chance of getting it dismissed on illegal search or if the state trooper who pulled me over is stupid enough to tell the court the same thing he told me in regards to why he stopped me. I'm on my phone and will elaborate more tommorrow but any questions ask away. If there's no interest I'll let the thread die again.

Really sorry to hear that. Would like more info on why you relapsed, why you were pulled over, what your potential legal reprecussions are, and so on. And also just to wish you the best of luck.

GL. I'm sure the chances of anyone investigating that deeply are really slim, but imo, don't say anything incriminating here at this point.

Let's throw him in prison for hurting himself, makes sense... We need a serious change to drug laws. Anyway, hope you get better OP.

I relapsed basically because I'm an addict. Have to be really careful who you hang out with but sometimes you just run into people. I should have moved away.

As far as the stop, at this time I can't really can't go into it, except to say it was sketchy. The thing is cops are allowed to lie.

As far as legal repercussions, I am looking at time in jail. How long I don't know until preliminary hearing. My lawyer hasn't gotten discovery yet.

Really slim. I appreciate that and I'm gonna choose my words carefully but I'm not too worried about that deep of an investigation.

What kind of jail time are we talking here?

Depends on his priors, but our system sucks in regards to drugs. His offense is non-violent and he could be facing a year or two in jail.

jw to say one thing... labeling yourself an addict may be useful in some ways, and you may very well fit the popular definition if addict, but your conception of what an addict is is probably always changing, and so you shouldn't let the label addict define you... i.e. don't get down on yourself bc you fit the bill of 'addict' bc the concept addict doesn't mean toooo much/changes in your own mind/the populace at whole's mind.

also the brain is a brilliant adaptive machine, and all the research shows the brain is highly plastic/malleable.

i'd give meditation/yoga/breathing exercises a chance if you haven't. pm me your addy and i'll ship you a book on meditation if you want one.

personal note: i've lost lots of ppl including my brother to heroin.

My priors are all drug related. No violent offenses. It can be anywhere from time served to possibly a year or two, that is correct. My last charge was 9.5 years ago.

Skater sorry about your brother. I haven't lost a relative to it, but so far 4 close friends, 3 of which I've known for over half my life (I'm 30).

How many times has the court let you off with no jail time and sent you to treatment? My cousin got probation/treatment the 1st two times, but the 3rd time she had to do 6 months because the judge said he was "fed up with her actions, and that she is a threat to the general public's well-being". Hopefully you get ordered to goto treatment man, good luck if you do.

Lol none. To be fair my first charge was a distribution charge, which eliminated my first time offender status. I'm in treatment as a condition of my bond. Thanks for the kind words.

I'd rather discuss opiate addiction as opposed to my legal problems but I'll do the best I can to answer any questions.

Have you ever heard of Edge Hill Recovery by any chance?

Only just discovered your old (and this) thread today, really amazing stuff and thanks a lot for doing this. I wish you the best of luck with your current legal issues as well, would be awesome if you let us know what the outcome is etc.

Are you still with your girlfriend from the old thread?

Why did you not move out? You said in the first thread that you made shortly (I think?) after coming back from prison that you'd move out when you've finished probation.

Now you probably won't have time for this, but I'd love to hear more stories about the people you met in prison. Just like, "x was a white, skinny, 5 foot tall dude who had actually murdered his wife with a sledge hammer. In person he was really shy and we talked about dog breeding together". There was another guy who did a thread slightly similar to yours and I remember reading about some fascinating characters, and after watching tv shows you get ideas about characters inside the walls. If you haven't read the other thread and are interested I'm pretty sure the title was "ask me anything about doing time in maximum (and minimum) security prison" and it was in OOT too. He had a drug related conviction as well.


Hope all ends well for you, OP.

Could you share more details about the specific circumstances of your relapse? Did you start using other drugs before going back to dope (marijuana/alcohol?) Did you think about it for a while and decide to start using again or was it a momentary slip in judgement like someone just offered you some at a party or something? What went through your mind before you did it/while you were doing it/the next day? How long was it before you were using everyday again? How did you tell your family and how did they react?

My mother is a heroin addict and whenever she would relapse it was so devastating. She would be clean for months and then bam the negative consequences/rehab/relapse cycle would just start again. I know people go years and then relapse all the time but it is just hard to understand for non addicts to go 5 years and then fall off the wagon. I am most interested if it was a gradual decline-you felt yourself getting weaker but didn't take the necessary steps to solidify your recovery-or if it was sudden.

Yes. Where addicts go to find more connections. Everyone I know that went there came out worse. You walk out the front door and can find dope anywhere.

Chuck and dw those are the type of questions I can easily answer. I just got home from work and it's like 2am but I promise I'll get to it in the morning..