But what are you using that 4k screen for in the next two years before you upgrade?

The bigger point is by the time the ecosystem catches up you will upgrade to get a better battery life or some fancy new feature etc.

I currently dont own a full hd phone , and while it would be a decent DPI increase , 4K screen for phones on the other hand seems really overkill and a huge downgrade for your battery for a really marginal improvement at best

G3 owner

screen is beautiful

not 4x as good as an iphone 4 or whatever the PPI difference is. This is mostly hype and a way for the industry to sell us new things. Dell just released a 5k monitor. Answering questions nobody's asking.

G3 screen looked like a decent step up over G2 but i doubt it was a dpi matter

btw 27 inches 5K screen is only 221 PPI , I wouldnt mind investing in one if it around 500€ since it would last 5 years easily unlike a phone that i dont expect to keep more than 2 years

Lol, the price will be closer to €2000 taxes and fees etc included.

you can find some 27" 4K for 600 or 700 right now and it s really new so hopefully that will be a standard in 1 or 2 years and will be really cheap once they start producing 4K screens only

That's a good point, we don't know how long it will take for Android to support 4k. I should've put the caveat that I don't plan on buying a phone soon. If someone absolutely has to buy a phone now I wouldn't auto say that if it doesn't have 4k don't get it. But if waiting is an option I would say wait for 4k to be more of the norm and pick from that lot.

There's no way I'm telling a difference between 4k and 2k. I don't care what the state of the ecosystem is or will be.

What are you doing with your phone that you need/want 840ppi as opposed to 420ppi (4k vs 2k [1920x1080] on a 5.2in screen)? I highly doubt you can tell the difference from 12 inches away, at least in any way significant enough to be worth the hit to battery life and performance. If you're really concerned about future proofing Android for the next few years, I'd be more concerned about getting a 64bit phone.

Full reviews for Moto X are starting to come out. I'm 95% sure that I'm going with this, pretty much I'll have to hear that the battery life is terrible to not get it. Pure Android is just so sexy, should help get updates quicker and for longer. I wish the battery and camera were a little better, but they'll both still be way better than my GS3 so whatever. Also lack of SD card is annoying. But everything else is perfect for me. I really like that you can choose how your phone looks, that's a huge selling point for me.

Anyone know if you there are any sneaky ways to keep unlimited data on Verizon while still using the upgrade? Otherwise I'll just pay full price.

I'm not saying any of you are wrong and I haven't even seen a 4k phone in person, but people said the same thing about 1080 when the DNA came out. Yet that screen looked amazing and noticeably better than 720. I'm not ready to write it off until I see one side by side.

Verizon will eventually move every grandfathered contract off of unlimited. Here is the FCC doc:

http://apps.fcc.gov/ecfs/document/vi...?id=7021918626

If that's true, then duke should know that you can sell your unlimited plan. I sold mine a month ago on Ebay for $500. It went on the first day so I probably could have gotten more. You have to give up your phone number with the plan but for ~$500 who cares.

Yes, when you sign a new contract, Verizon forces you to get a non-unlimited plan. But if you buy a phone outright and keep your current contract, you can keep unlimited data. The linked FCC doc seems to be referring to that, not actually forcing customers to switch even if they're not signing a new contract.
There have been some ways in the past to sign a new contract (to get upgrade pricing) and still maintain unlimited data (usually system glitches that are eventually fixed), and was wondering if any of those methods still worked.

But.... I did not know you could sell unlimited plans. For $500, I could probably deal with limited data if I could get at least get a 4GB plan. How do you do that? I get that you list it on eBay, but how do you handle transferring the account?

I already use my Google Voice number with most of my contacts, so switching numbers isn't as huge a deal as it could be =)

And I just checked out the transfer process for the Verizon UDP by looking up listings on eBay. Apparently there is a whole protocol in place on the Verizon system. I'll have to think about that...

It's simple. Once you sell it you get the name the person wants the account transferred to. Then you call the special Verizon Assumption of Liability phone number and give them the name. Then Verizon contacts the other person or vice versa and they confirm they are taking control of the line and it's done. Remember that Ebay takes a 10% fee and Paypal like another 3%. But like I said I sold it really quickly so if you're willing to leave it up for a bit I would list it at like $600 and check the option to let people send you their best offer. Oh and I just looked at some other listings for the same thing and copy pasted the descriptions other people used. I can pm you what I used if you want and you can tailor it.

Verizon link explaining AOL

I did read some article recently that said Verizon was going to start throttling the unlimited data speed once you reach like 4 gigs for the month or something, so it may be a good time to sell.

Awesome, thanks so much! I agree that Verizon is probably going to start cracking down eventually, so I'm definitely interested. It would also mean that I would be getting subsidized pricing on the Moto X, saving another ~$400. Of course I could do that regardless, but still a nice perk.

I just looked at my data usage and realized that I used 9GB this past period, but that was an outlier because my gf moved into a new apt and didn't have internet, so we were tethering for 3 or 4 days and watched a couple movies... I think usually I'm around 2-3GB.

my phone took a beating on saturday. i can't tell if the crack is on the tempered glass or the screen itself. is there a way to tell without removing?

most likely screen

fyp

If it's the screen it usually distorts the picture.

Press firmly on the glass and if there is no change, it's more than likely the glass.

Screen press doesnt change anything. Hopefully just glass.

Normally I'd say "You can get a good look at a t-bone by sticking your head up a bulls ass, but why not take the butchers word for it?" But in this case how do you know? Even if you've compared side by side there are basically no Android apps that support 4k at this point. But my point is there will be and I personally would like to have the best display available.

I hear the G3 battery is good. What makes you think other 4k phones won't follow suit?

(A) The G3 isn't 4k... 4k is 3840x2160, the G3 is 2560x1440 (aka Quad HD, which is confusing, I know)

(B) The same phone would have better battery life if the screen had fewer pixels. I'm not saying you can't have decent battery life with a 4k screen (in the G3's case, it requires a 300mah battery, larger than most phones), just that you could have even better battery life without 4k.

Wait, the G3 isn't even 4k?

4k is officially dumb and anyone who disagrees is wrong

source: quad HD

Just a few more thoughts on the 4k thing:

-One of the great things about Android is the diversity in hardware, and the choices you get. I'm sure a major OEM is going to put a 4k screen in a smartphone pretty soon (within the next year or so), and that's cool. The people who care about it can get it, and more power to them.

I was just responding to the original advice that MiRee gave, which was "I wouldn't go for anything that doesn't have a 4k screen." I think that's patently false - it is by no means a must have for most people. What phones can you even buy now (or in the next couple months) with 4k resolution?

-I may be over-estimating the impact a 4k screen has on battery life. I'm assuming that the same smartphone but with 2k instead of 4k would see a minimum of 20% better battery life (assuming good reception, typical use, etc). Maybe that's low, maybe that's high. If it turns out to be less than 10%, then maybe going to 4k is more worthwhile than I though.

Anyone know the effect that resolution has on battery life? There are probably too many variables to give a specific answer.