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View Poll Results: Did the NLHE section of Doyle Brunson's Super System make you a hyper agro donk?
Yes
17 37.78%
No
28 62.22%

02-12-2009 , 02:32 AM
I am going to participate here now instead of waiting for the ever so often King Niche posts that I so enjoy.

Ever wonder about what Doyle Brunson had in mind when he wrote his section on NLHE? How many of you read this section and immediately donked off a couple BIs? I know I did... I'm just wondering if anyone sees this book as something that has made a ton of hyper agro monkeys that do nothing but sweeten up games. Most people don't see the big picture when they read the NLHE section. All they hear is that they need to play jam it up poker and just spew everywhere.

My opinion is that the book is great for the game, because it sells so many copies and continually creates dumb poker players(I'm not calling Brunson dumb... just those that play his style unsuccessfully). People buy the book, think they need to be hyper aggressive, and spew off all their chips... genius? Maybe...
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02-12-2009 , 02:39 AM
yeah..maybe..
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02-12-2009 , 02:40 AM
I am going to participate here now instead of waiting for the ever so often King Niche posts that I so enjoy.

Ever wonder about what Doyle Brunson had in mind when he wrote his section on NLHE? How many of you read this section and immediately donked off a couple BIs? I know I did... I'm just wondering if anyone sees this book as something that has made a ton of hyper agro monkeys that do nothing but sweeten up games. Most people don't see the big picture when they read the NLHE section. All they hear is that they need to play jam it up poker and just spew everywhere.

My opinion is that the book is great for the game, because it sells so many copies and continually creates dumb poker players(I'm not calling Brunson dumb... just those that play his style unsuccessfully). People buy the book, think they need to be hyper aggressive, and spew off all their chips... genius? Maybe...
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02-12-2009 , 02:45 AM
all poker books are a level just like this site is a level.
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02-12-2009 , 02:47 AM
I read that book and understood the importance of being aggressive. I think it was a good foundation that gave me the edge to beat the lower games when i started out.
I think you should make a poll that asks the following "Did you read supersystem and became donkey aggressive?"
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02-12-2009 , 02:52 AM
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Originally Posted by goosty
I read that book and understood the importance of being aggressive. I think it was a good foundation that gave me the edge to beat the lower games when i started out.
I think you should make a poll that asks the following "Did you read supersystem and became donkey aggressive?"
Good call.... I'm new, but I'm going to figure out how to do a poll and see what the result is.
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02-12-2009 , 02:55 AM
TV has done way more to make poker monkeys.


As for Doyle's book, like any book, it has to be used correctly. His passionate intro may have made some monkeys, but I don't think it is deliberate. I think he uses his instinct a lot, which he cannot teach. And that is the problem with many of the old school NL pros.
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02-12-2009 , 03:00 AM
Did the NLHE section in Doyle Brunson's Supersystem make you a hyper aggressive donk for a period of time after reading?
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02-12-2009 , 03:06 AM
Yes, people read Brunson's book and spew off buy-ins, but that's not because it's poorly written or meant to make people play badly (which seems to be what you are implying). People spew off money after reading the book because the game was a lot different now than it was when the book was written, so the strategies that worked then don't work the same now. People are a lot looser and more aggressive now, and many of the strategies in Super System were designed to beat the tighter players who were more common back then.
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02-12-2009 , 03:52 AM
Supersystem was designed to beat super high stakes, where the other players are also super agressive. If you watched Doyle play on High Stakes Poker, he often didnt play this way, but he did ocassionally when he felt he was being moved on. He put all his chips in with A-10 on a ace high flop when he got reraised and he doubled up. Risky play, but he didnt want to get outplayed on TV.
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02-12-2009 , 03:54 AM
Doyle's NL section made concrete two very valuable ideas:

1.) It is possible to approach the game systematically
2.) It is possible to run over weak-tight players by playing a LAG style

As far as OP's various claims, I really can't agree with any of them. Players smart enough to read and understand Doyle's book are generally not people you want at your tables. You want ******s who think poker is all luck, and are there to gamble, and have never touched a poker book in their lives.
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02-12-2009 , 04:46 AM
so dumb. doyle saw profit in writing a book giving people a glimpse into how he was making a killing in the game. he wrote it to make profit from book sales, its the same as all the training sites. they're not in business to feed misinformation, just to get people to buy what they're trying to sell. ie poker knowledge. if people misapply the information they digest and spew that's just an unforeseen bonus. and one that quickly diminishes over time.
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02-12-2009 , 05:23 AM
op is an aggressive monkey?
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02-12-2009 , 05:52 AM
doyle might be the only poker player thats not a douche bag
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02-12-2009 , 05:57 AM
I loved the book cuz it made me more aggro when I was weaktight. I love pokertraining sites cuz people wanna play overlaggy and lets me play tight and own a lot of these wannabe lagging it uppers.
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02-12-2009 , 06:06 AM
Because of this book I was never a "loose passive", I was a maniac instead, causing me to lose a lot more. It's been hard to tune down the agression ever since.
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02-12-2009 , 06:12 AM
I think you need to understand the context of the NLHE section to use it properly. Games that Doyle was describing were played really deep, probably at least 400-500BBs, so moving in on someone really was putting your opponent to the test for a lot of money.
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02-12-2009 , 06:21 AM
2nd thread of this?
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02-12-2009 , 06:41 AM
My SSI is for single draw.
My SSII is for triple draw.
Having read Harrington b4 Doyle's nlhe chapter, Doyle's approach just seems spewish... and as Biko said, the games aren't uncapped anymore.
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02-12-2009 , 06:52 AM
i remember the first big hand after reading SS i had JT and eventually got it all in on a 98x flop with my new aggressive style, then lost to KQo. several years later, i would learn that SS has no application at 25NL.
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02-12-2009 , 07:18 AM
the major flaw the book has it it doesnt set the context of the game type. he really needed to emphasize that the typical opponent was weak tight. using this "lag" style is doomed in different game types, with different stack sizes. a beggining player reading that book wouldnt have been able to adjust correctly when jumping into 10nl, or live 1/2.
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02-12-2009 , 08:02 AM
I think Gus Hansen has made a big job teaching donkeys, especially his early tv apperances. And I dont think Gus is a donkey, far from it, he´s a great player, has a great mathematical mind but hes early atc-style made huge impact on idiots.
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02-12-2009 , 11:19 AM
I said "yes" but the problem was that the game conditions S/S was written to, 200bb+ stacks, didn't exist when I started on-line.

So really it wasn't a problem with S/S, it was a problem that I didn't understand the dynamics of no limit poker.

S/S is genius for the game conditions it is written toward.
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02-12-2009 , 01:30 PM
I've seen a lot of guys move in with AK when they flop an A or K and then learn top pair/top kicker vs set math quick.

It's a good book but if you watch how Brunson plays on HSP it's almost anti-SS.
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02-12-2009 , 01:52 PM
I really thought the nl section of the book was of little use. Other parts were of some use.

Someone said they read it after playing poker a while, and then really understood it unlike the first time he read it. But the first time you read it is when you need the knowledge, not once you've aquired some experience.

I really think the book is like the emporer with no clothes, its got a reputation now so were supposed to say its great. But Im not buying it. Accept that I did
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