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06-18-2009 , 11:12 PM
how does it compare vs baluga's book or slowhabit's one?
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06-18-2009 , 11:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Self Made
Can anyone compare it with billyjex's 6-max ebook?
Not even in the same ball-park. SSNLE blows BillyJex's book away and I actually liked BillyJex's Ebook. I think getting this book for the pre-order price of $39.95 or whatever it was was an absolute steal. I still think it's under priced at $99 to be honest.
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06-18-2009 , 11:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Adman
By the way, I suspect that 2+2 will be KICKING themselves for opting not to publish this book. As an earlier poster said, this book is almost certainly going to become an INSTANT CLASSIC and will probably be considered the benchmark in NL literature from around................now?
No we're not. It was important to us to end, as much as possible, our relationship with these authors. There were just too many problems. If their book is as good as you say, all it means is that our future books will have to be as least as good.

You need to understand that we can't publish every book on poker that's good, and we don't try to. But what we attempt to achieve is to make sure that the books we publish, and the other products that we get involved with, and that includes this website, are top notch.

Best wishes,
Mason
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06-18-2009 , 11:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Mason Malmuth
Not very likely. I'm loaded with work and don't even get to play poker.

MM

Lucky you .

I'm about a third of the way through and think it's excellent so far. The is a very good chance that this will be for NL what "Small Stakes Hold Em" was for LHE.

Although not sure if that is a good thing or bad thing for the games.
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06-18-2009 , 11:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Pok 7's
Lucky you .

I'm about a third of the way through and think it's excellent so far. The is a very good chance that this will be for NL what "Small Stakes Hold Em" was for LHE.

Although not sure if that is a good thing or bad thing for the games.
I mean what are the actual % that poker players actually will read this book. MAybe 5%? So theres should still be plenty of fish in the sea left.
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06-19-2009 , 12:13 AM
I've finally finished the book and I found it to be pretty good, but I do think some of the hyperbole in this thread is a little overboard. The information in this book isn't anything new or groundbreaking, and if you are subscribing to any of the video training sites then most of this information should be familiar to you. What the book does well is driving those points home with a ton of well thought out examples.

The bulk of the book is part 2 (beating 200NL) and it does a very good job of breaking down the basic skills you need to beat aggressive 6 max games (stealing, value betting, isolating, 3/4/5 betting, ranging, etc.). I personally found the chapters on value betting and handling opposing aggression to be the most useful chapters in the book. The third part of the book (7 easy steps...) is mostly fluff, but its not very long so its not too bad. Part 4 (beyond 200NL) is good as well, particularly the sections on overbetting and underbetting the flop. Overall I would say I was pleased with the purchase, and I would definitely recommend it to others.

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06-19-2009 , 12:20 AM
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Originally Posted by quadaces9999
I mean what are the actual % that poker players actually will read this book. MAybe 5%? So theres should still be plenty of fish in the sea left.
Well ask the the vast majority of LHE players who have played the game with any regularity when it was still popular what they think the best books are. Chances are SSLHE is in that list. It's part of the holy trinity of LHE.
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06-19-2009 , 12:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Pok 7's
Well ask the the vast majority of LHE players who have played the game with any regularity when it was still popular what they think the best books are. Chances are SSLHE is in that list. It's part of the holy trinity of LHE.
On this site almost everone has read most the good books. But i have asked players on sites like Full Tilt and pokerstars and most say they never heard of these books.
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06-19-2009 , 12:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Spaceball
I've finally finished the book and I found it to be pretty good, but I do think some of the hyperbole in this thread is a little overboard. The information in this book isn't anything new or groundbreaking, and if you are subscribing to any of the video training sites then most of this information should be familiar to you. What the book does well is driving those points home with a ton of well thought out examples.

The bulk of the book is part 2 (beating 200NL) and it does a very good job of breaking down the basic skills you need to beat aggressive 6 max games (stealing, value betting, isolating, 3/4/5 betting, ranging, etc.). I personally found the chapters on value betting and handling opposing aggression to be the most useful chapters in the book. The third part of the book (7 easy steps...) is mostly fluff, but its not very long so its not too bad. Part 4 (beyond 200NL) is good as well, particularly the sections on overbetting and underbetting the flop. Overall I would say I was pleased with the purchase, and I would definitely recommend it to others.
i agree 100%, this sums up the book perfectly.
nothing groundbreaking here, if this book is 100 then ryan fees should be 250.
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06-19-2009 , 12:31 AM
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Originally Posted by quadaces9999
On this site almost everone has read most the good books. But i have asked players on sites like Full Tilt and pokerstars and most say they never heard of these books.
Then please don't point those books out to them. :P
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06-19-2009 , 12:37 AM
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Originally Posted by thejumpoff
how does it compare vs baluga's book or slowhabit's one?
Haven't read those, but have read Improva's and can say it's not quite on that level, but pretty close. I'd say this book is at least as good as part 1 of baluga's book, but at a much lower price.
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06-19-2009 , 12:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Eponymous
This is the answer according to their website:

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This game provides an ideal platform to teach the most critical no-limit concepts. If you can learn to beat an online $1-$2 6-max no-limit game, then you can handily beat 99 percent of all no-limit games in the world. So this book is highly relevant to the vast majority of no-limit players, whether you play live games or online, shorthanded games, full-ring, or even heads-up. Learn these ideas, apply them to your game, and you will destroy the competition.
That makes no sense to me. What little online 6-max I've seen has almost nothing in common with live full ring. For example, he makes a big thing of blind stealing. There is no such thing as blind stealing in live 1/2. The very nature of 6-max seems completely different than full ring.
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06-19-2009 , 02:21 AM
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Originally Posted by shyturtle27
Haven't read those, but have read Improva's and can say it's not quite on that level, but pretty close. I'd say this book is at least as good as part 1 of baluga's book, but at a much lower price.
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06-19-2009 , 03:13 AM
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Originally Posted by thejumpoff
how does it compare vs baluga's book or slowhabit's one?
Ed Miller Ebook > Baluga Whale Ebook, the Ed Miller Ebook actually reads like a book, with a logical A to Z structure and in-depth examples instead of a smattering of ideas on NL Hold 'Em thrown together (not that they aren't good ideas).

I liked Baluga's pamphlet, but Ed Miller's book is definitely the new standard and like a third of the price.
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06-19-2009 , 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by quadaces9999
But i have asked players on sites like Full Tilt and pokerstars and most say they never heard of these books.
Why the hell would you ever do this?
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06-19-2009 , 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by breathweapon
Ed Miller Ebook > Baluga Whale Ebook, the Ed Miller Ebook actually reads like a book, with a logical A to Z structure and in-depth examples instead of a smattering of ideas on NL Hold 'Em thrown together (not that they aren't good ideas).

I liked Baluga's pamphlet, but Ed Miller's book is definitely the new standard and like a third of the price.
Just starting with Ed et. al's book. It looks very good, but LOL @ calling BW's book a pamphlet.
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06-19-2009 , 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by brocksavage1
Why the hell would you ever do this?
Maybe because he is allergic to money....OR he is so confident in his game that he doesnt care if the other players have any useful information that could help better their game and cut down his advantage....

who knows....

I got this book, but really only skimmed through it. I enjoy all of Ed Videos, so I am sure with that in mind, as well as all of the comments here, its going to be great.

For $39.95 this was a steal, but for $100, I would still think its a great investment for a player who is looking to better their game and the way they go about thinking about it.
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06-19-2009 , 12:25 PM
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06-19-2009 , 12:47 PM
This is my first large e-book. I am not liking the e-format for a book this size. I need to be able to make notes in margins and to read anywhere I go. Having it on a computer is restrictive. Printing out a book this size on my personal printer is also not appealing. You can get a nicely bound book for 1/2 the price. I also find the password "security" to be silly and annoying. I shouldn't have to take extra steps everytime I want to read a book I paid for. It doesn't even save the password on your computer. You have to use it everytime you open the book. It just doesn't make sense to pay for a book and have to jump through any hoops at all to read it. I hope 2+2 uses a different approach to their future e-books. Nothing against the authors.
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06-19-2009 , 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by pig4bill
That makes no sense to me. What little online 6-max I've seen has almost nothing in common with live full ring. For example, he makes a big thing of blind stealing. There is no such thing as blind stealing in live 1/2. The very nature of 6-max seems completely different than full ring.
I'm going to disagree with this ... while the book definitely focuses on 6-max 1/2, they do go over playing against different player archetypes, for example, the authors discuss the value (or lack thereof) of blind stealing against calling stations.
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06-19-2009 , 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Pokerlogist
This is my first large e-book. I am not liking the e-format for a book this size. I need to be able to make notes in margins and to read anywhere I go. Having it on a computer is restrictive. Printing out a book this size on my personal printer is also not appealing. You can get a nicely bound book for 1/2 the price. I also find the password "security" to be silly and annoying. I shouldn't have to take extra steps everytime I want to read a book I paid for. It doesn't even save the password on your computer. You have to use it everytime you open the book. It just doesn't make sense to pay for a book and have to jump through any hoops at all to read it. I hope 2+2 uses a different approach to their future e-books. Nothing against the authors.
i sent mine off to be bound like a old fashion book. then i can read it on planes, in bed, sitting outside, make notes, bookmark pages, etc. i don't like the e-book format for a "text" book.
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06-19-2009 , 02:10 PM
What did you send and where did you send it? Any other details?
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06-19-2009 , 02:11 PM
Still hoping for a more comprehensive review from someone like Foucault.

Nevertheless, some interesting points ITT, such as the book's focus on "being the raiser." Anyone willing to expand on that? Or, to what extent does the book describe dealing with opponents' aggression? I read ITT that the 3b/4b/5b game is covered. What about other things? Thinking of situations such as facing donkbets, playing against aggro-donks, etc.
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06-19-2009 , 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by All Hail Circe
Maybe because he is allergic to money....OR he is so confident in his game that he doesnt care if the other players have any useful information that could help better their game and cut down his advantage....

who knows....

I got this book, but really only skimmed through it. I enjoy all of Ed Videos, so I am sure with that in mind, as well as all of the comments here, its going to be great.

For $39.95 this was a steal, but for $100, I would still think its a great investment for a player who is looking to better their game and the way they go about thinking about it.
Im not paying a $100 for this. Ill just have to wait for Harringtons 6 max book.

Hopefully Mason or HArrington will buy Millers book so that they can make sure they make the Harrington book better then the Miller book..
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06-19-2009 , 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by quadaces9999
Im not paying a $100 for this. Ill just have to wait for Harringtons 6 max book.

Hopefully Mason or HArrington will buy Millers book so that they can make sure they make the Harrington book better then the Miller book..
+1 to both.

I mean, $100 for an ebook is outrageous. The marginal cost of producing an ebook is effectively zero. Furthermore, Miller et al sell this direct-to-consumer. Remember that book retailers charge quite significant markups over wholesale prices. So this $100 should perhaps more adequately be compared to the price of a 2+2 book in the 2+2 bookstore, not the price of a 2+2 book at your local bookstore.
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