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08-11-2009 , 08:40 PM
Don't know about windows mobile OS, but you can read it on an iPhone either as an e-mail attachment or through a pdf reader app.
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08-11-2009 , 08:55 PM
hmmm interesting. i have the attachment on my phone, but when i try to open it it says its encrypted, and wont let me put in the PW...
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08-12-2009 , 10:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Ouird
hmmm interesting. i have the attachment on my phone, but when i try to open it it says its encrypted, and wont let me put in the PW...
PM sent.
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08-13-2009 , 12:57 AM
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Originally Posted by breathweapon
Yeah, the book is overly focused on "being the raiser" instead of "being the caller." Perhaps it's for the sake of simplicity, but I think it's worth discussing when and where you should be calling and folding against open raises instead of concentrating on raise here, 3bet there etc.
The best defense is a good offense.
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08-13-2009 , 01:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Biffo
Here's a question:

If I've seen all of Ed's vids on Stox. Is this book going to tell me anything that I haven't already seen/heard in many, many hours of viewing.

I wouldn't want to waste money on the duplication.
It is like a very good outline, or set of notes, taken from his videos. After you watch dozens of hours of lecture, a good set of notes is valuable to have. I like the book very much. I also enjoyed Ed's "Understanding Simple Aggression" series as well as his "Poker Made Simple" series on Stoxpoker.
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09-01-2009 , 06:05 PM
This is a great book. I was delighted by the emphasis on stealing and aggression. It reflects a style of play we have seen in the better SSNL training vids for a while. If you're a nit with a library of nitty poker literature, it will come as a surprise, no doubt. It has a good emphasis on acting according to opponent tendencies. The hand examples are all very well reasoned. Its obvious that at least one of the authors knows the online games very well indeed. Stick with it, in my experience the advice is pretty much on the money.
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09-02-2009 , 01:10 AM
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Originally Posted by emerson
The best defense is a good offense.
Ditto.

Someone once said that in low buy-in NL, depending on your hand, your best options in order were either:

1. raise
2. fold
3. call

or

1. fold
2. raise
3. call
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09-08-2009 , 08:12 AM
I have finished most of the initial sections of the book and I can easily say that this book has made back the price already, and more.

I currently play 50nl and am taking shots at 100nl 6 max, so I am below the "target" market of 200nl, but I really feel that this book was thought out with a player like me in mind. Coming up through the micros and getting drilled into my head "never bluff, ABC all the way", this book really has opened my eyes to other ways to make money at NLHE.

In comparision to other poker books it relies much more heavily on example hands and alternate lines rather then just covering the theory. It is well written and easy to read and understand.

Overall I look forward to finishing and rereading this book and continuing to implement some of the ideas.
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09-08-2009 , 11:23 PM
Finally broke down and bought it figuring it was probably worth much more than 100bb. So far very very well written but only one or two chapters in will def give a very lengthy review when finished coming from a 100nl 6max player.
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09-09-2009 , 12:22 AM
i will venture to say with confidence that this book is not for people that are at least small winners at 1-2NL or 0.50-1.00, say 1/2 big bet or better. even a break-even player at 1-2 or 0.50-1.00 will probably not learn anything new in this book. period. watching (good) training videos will be much more helpful if you are already experienced and at least a small winner.
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09-09-2009 , 05:41 AM
I agree that NL200 winners probably won't get that much out of the book, but I believe that break-even NL100 players (and lower) could profit a good deal from reading it.
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09-10-2009 , 02:27 PM
I would assume anyone above 200nl already "knows" this stuff.

But I can assure you, most of the players at 50nl don't.

Implementing even some of the basic stuff has significantly helped so far in my 50nl game.
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09-10-2009 , 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by checkorbet50
i will venture to say with confidence that this book is not for people that are at least small winners at 1-2NL or 0.50-1.00, say 1/2 big bet or better. even a break-even player at 1-2 or 0.50-1.00 will probably not learn anything new in this book. period. watching (good) training videos will be much more helpful if you are already experienced and at least a small winner.
I think your perception of what the breakeven regs are doing right and wrong may be flawed for many cases. I think the idea of aggression and the breakdown of (In their terms) "steal equity" is incredibly helpful for the tagnit regfish at 100nl that want to add 3 or 4 bb to their winrate.
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Originally Posted by Sean'
I agree that NL200 winners probably won't get that much out of the book, but I believe that break-even NL100 players (and lower) could profit a good deal from reading it.
this for sure, I used to beat 50nl at 6bb/100 with no real understanding of the concepts in this book, I picked most of it up from videos in the past year so the book isn't much news to me so far but for many players will probably turn them from breakeven slightly losing to a solid winner assuming they have some sort of discipline to go along with what they learn
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Originally Posted by Drew Lingidiot
I would assume anyone above 200nl already "knows" this stuff.

But I can assure you, most of the players at 50nl don't.

Implementing even some of the basic stuff has significantly helped so far in my 50nl game.
this.
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09-10-2009 , 04:39 PM
It'll be interesting to see the state of 50nl over the next year. I think most of the people who buy this book will still be playing at 50nl, because everyone is going to be a whole lot better. Am I thinking wrong here?
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09-10-2009 , 08:23 PM
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Originally Posted by ac on
It'll be interesting to see the state of 50nl over the next year. I think most of the people who buy this book will still be playing at 50nl, because everyone is going to be a whole lot better. Am I thinking wrong here?


it would depend on how well one absorbs the material.
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09-10-2009 , 08:39 PM
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Originally Posted by ac on
It'll be interesting to see the state of 50nl over the next year. I think most of the people who buy this book will still be playing at 50nl, because everyone is going to be a whole lot better. Am I thinking wrong here?
The regs might be better, but they are not the source of the money. Fish will not spend $100 on a book they would actually have to search to even find.

I just want to be ready for the day they make it easy for US players to play.
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10-03-2009 , 12:29 PM
where is the link of purchasing this ebook? thanks.
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10-03-2009 , 01:54 PM
I'm not sure links are allowed. Search and you shall find, Mylife.
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10-03-2009 , 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by All Hail Circe
This. I enjoy Eds and LAs videos ( Plus MBolts, Hunters, etc ) and I do not feel I need to go and check their results via PTR.

All I know, is that these videos have shown me different ways of looking at the game, and have made me a better player overall.
This sounds good in theory, but in reality there are lots of otherwise perfectly intelligent individuals who just don't really do very well at poker for whatever reason. There is something simply wrong with their thought process that obviously eludes them, meaning it's also likely to be fairly subtle. I mean you're not going to have an intelligent individual tell you: "Ok we have the nuts here. Let's check and sucker him and hopefully catch him with a check raise, probably for min so we make sure he doesn't fold. Ok now we have air here. Let's go ahead and triple barrel."

We've already said these are perfectly intelligent individuals. The problem then is that they are going to be able to convey perfectly logical and cohesive thoughts about poker, but somewhere in those thoughts there's a flaw and a subtle flaw at that. As a student, if I feel I could easily figure out where a person's thought process is flawed then I'm not too likely to want to pay them to share their thought process with me. On the other hand, if I don't feel I could figure out where their thought process is flawed then how am I to know which knowledge I can safely 'absorb' and which knowledge is that Achilles's heel still keeping said teacher from managing to convert their depth of knowledge into results?

I suppose the gist of what I mean is that I think, especially in poker, the separation between theory and praxis is razor thin. I certainly have found that as my depth of understanding has increased, my results have also increased proportionally. And speech is in and of itself a skill. Just because someone can speak eloquently and intelligently on the subject of poker does not necessarily make them justified to try to teach the game to others.
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10-03-2009 , 07:11 PM
I got the ebook but never read it. Switched to heads up sit n gos. Doh!!!
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10-03-2009 , 09:34 PM
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Originally Posted by ac on
It'll be interesting to see the state of 50nl over the next year. I think most of the people who buy this book will still be playing at 50nl, because everyone is going to be a whole lot better. Am I thinking wrong here?
Do u really think every recreational player paid 100 bux for this ebook. Even if they did do u think they would get past the first chap b4 they moved on to the next book promising them easy money. People want a quick fix and this book is solid and is more steak than sizzle. I mean NL theory w/ Miller and Sklansky has been out for years and droolers are still limping into pots.. u raise them they flat call your 4x raise... u cbet they fold. Or worse their 86o flops 2 pair and they think they don't need books.
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10-04-2009 , 05:09 AM
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Originally Posted by JoeyNumbaz
Do u really think every recreational player paid 100 bux for this ebook. Even if they did do u think they would get past the first chap b4 they moved on to the next book promising them easy money. People want a quick fix and this book is solid and is more steak than sizzle. I mean NL theory w/ Miller and Sklansky has been out for years and droolers are still limping into pots.. u raise them they flat call your 4x raise... u cbet they fold. Or worse their 86o flops 2 pair and they think they don't need books.

The average NL50 player these days probably considers himself a semi-pro rather than a recreational player...

Btw in atleast a couple places in NLHTP they specifically advocate open limping into pots.
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10-04-2009 , 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Dire
This sounds good in theory, but in reality there are lots of otherwise perfectly intelligent individuals who just don't really do very well at poker for whatever reason. There is something simply wrong with their thought process that obviously eludes them, meaning it's also likely to be fairly subtle. I mean you're not going to have an intelligent individual tell you: "Ok we have the nuts here. Let's check and sucker him and hopefully catch him with a check raise, probably for min so we make sure he doesn't fold. Ok now we have air here. Let's go ahead and triple barrel."

We've already said these are perfectly intelligent individuals. The problem then is that they are going to be able to convey perfectly logical and cohesive thoughts about poker, but somewhere in those thoughts there's a flaw and a subtle flaw at that. As a student, if I feel I could easily figure out where a person's thought process is flawed then I'm not too likely to want to pay them to share their thought process with me. On the other hand, if I don't feel I could figure out where their thought process is flawed then how am I to know which knowledge I can safely 'absorb' and which knowledge is that Achilles's heel still keeping said teacher from managing to convert their depth of knowledge into results?

I suppose the gist of what I mean is that I think, especially in poker, the separation between theory and praxis is razor thin. I certainly have found that as my depth of understanding has increased, my results have also increased proportionally. And speech is in and of itself a skill. Just because someone can speak eloquently and intelligently on the subject of poker does not necessarily make them justified to try to teach the game to others.
I highly disagree with the bolded part, and also disagree with your general claim. In fact, I believe that the majority of intelligent people, if they were to sit down and write out some poker theory, with enough time and editing would explain a better game than they play.

Why? Because most people do not play their A game all the time, but most people can, with enough time and editing, put their A game into writing. So whether a poker player is a winner or not does not necessarily translate to whether his theory and advice is good.

I believe this concept holds true for coaching as well, although coaching is more difficult because often you cannot edit your thoughts. But I do believe there are plenty of breakeven players that could probably improve a lot of winning players' games, simply because they understand and can explain important concepts, but they just have a difficult time employing them in practice due to lack of focus or whatever.

I can't speak about this particular subject (Ed Miller's book), because I haven't read it and haven't even watched his videos. But I did want to comment on your claim that in poker the line between theory and practice is very thin. It really is not.
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10-15-2009 , 05:58 PM
suffice to say, $100 are a relatively big slice and authors clearly state they are business oriented... fair game to invest, fair game not to as well
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10-19-2009 , 09:02 AM
quick question. How do i PRINTthe ebook out in its proper format?

WHen i print it out, there is heaps of white around the edges. Being in australia, we use a4 paper, and my printer is set to this as well.

WHen i view it in reader, there is minimal margins, which is how i would like it printed


Any ideas anyone?
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