Eu.Era:

You're not reading correctly what I said (or perhaps I didn't make it clear). I'm not disagreeing with the advice. What I am saying is that the author gave an argument for a small bet even though he recommends a large one.

MM

Just got sent this, skimmed the book.

Understand its aimed at beginners so wont go too hard on it. But I'll just say TDAs' claim it could take you be be winning at 50nl is ludicrous.

Needless to say, I disagree. Games at 50NL aren't that tough, especially with some table selection. While this won't give you a hugely refined strategy, it offers one which is sufficient to scrape at least 1-2bb/100 at 50NL (reg tables) on stars.

obviously his not!

your first post on this site and you ask this?
no wonder....

troll much.
should be ban

It seems like a retraction, but unclear why based on the comments so far

No retraction was made.

MM

Totally disagree. With a bit of natural ability, logical competence and practice I believe this book is totally sufficient for beating 50NL, which is still full of regs who make very significant mistakes in my recent experiecne of coaching the limit, not to mention that 50NL is still a popular fish stake.

There are many people who will not beat 50NL after reading this book, but most aspiring players who read any book won't beat 50NL, this is just the nature of the game and how difficult it is to succeed after rake in the modern online environment. I maintain that TGM teaches the foundations in a very solid and applicable way and have had a lot of very positive feedback so far from a lot of players who play 25NL and 50NL.

I don't like the idea of TGM being described as a book that suggets one basic simplified strategy. Sure somethings are simplified especially earlier on, but the idea is to provide a framework for thinking about strategy, not offering up any rigid or easy to swallow gameplan.

Thanks for pointing this out. The idea was to provide a random spread of sessions that represent a tiny subset of the total scattering of results. This comes far to close to being exactly $8 and could do with some clarification as it does look like an error.

I want to point out that this may be a very good book for a lot of players. (I'm only 37 percent through it so can't yet say for sure.) However, if your opinion is different that's fine, you're entitled to your opinion. But to be fair to the author you should give specific reasons as to why you think the way you do.

Best wishes,
Mason

Yes, apologies. To clarify, careful study of the book alone should provide a framework to beat 50NL, but that is not to downplay the instrumental merit thereof as a tool for going above and beyond that.

Something that I found interesting since I recently wrote a poker psychology book:

Early in the book the author writes;

But in his final thoughts on prefllop end of action spots he writes:

Of course this second statement is correct and it contradicts much of what Tendler advocates.

Best wishes,
Mason

From the podcasts (I'm a big fan and have listened to all up to the latest one) Carroters believes in the conventional ideas about poker psychology, which I know MM doesn't.

I would like to see an experiment, where players in a cash game record their starting stack and whether they consider themselves to be playing their A, B or C game. If they feel that has changed (or was a mis-estimate) they can change at the end of a hand and record their current stack, but can't post hoc change the "level" of their game for a hand that's finished.

When people make an unconventional river call and are right they think "I'm on my A game" and when it's wrong they think "Why did I call, I'm on my C game", but that's just results oriented. An experiment would tell us whether the ABC game is a real thing (and how much effect it has), but conducting one seems not to be necessary to poker psychologists as poker psychology is a pseudoscience.

Having said that, I don't think we should criticise the book based on the fact that Carroters has drunk the same Kool Aid as almost every other single person in poker. For example I also highly recommend the work of Andrew Brokos who writes for the 2p2 magazine and also has a great podcast, but he also talks about the ABC game - though like everyone else not in hand analysis.

Hi Lektor:

I agree with you and when I first read the initial quote early in the book I was just going to ignore it because this is a book of poker knowledge and not poker psychology. But the second quote made me pause and wonder why the author would recommend the Tendler stuff in the first place.

For those wondering why the second quote is correct it basically says that when you can process information presented your tendency to tilt will be reduced, and I agree with this -- see my book Real Poker Psychology. But Tendler's advice mostly comes from the sports world where things like speed, timing, and coordination are important, and execution, which requires stuff like this and would include things like how you throw your chips in the pot, just can't be important in poker. (And as a sample Tendler recommends stuff like deep breaths and physical warm ups.)

Anyway, none of this takes away from the quality of the information in Carroters work. It's just something I found interesting.

Best wishes,
Mason

Hey carroters, been watching your vids for a while. Is there an alternative way to pay? The book's listed at £39.99 but having to pay in $'s through gumroad it comes out to £53. Apologies if this had been asked already, I did skim read through the thread but to no avail.

Mason how did you find the upswing party?

Also wondering about this.

Hothy,
You can purchase directly from Amazon on kindle as well.

Hand 25

Since this player is fit-or-fold we should expect him to call most sizes of bet when he's connected and fold to most sizes when he hasn't

Given the assumption above and the hand we have, there aren't many ways which Villain can connect with that flop. So most of the times you bet, you get a fold.
I understand your reasons behind build up the pot, the problem here is, you won't get 3 streets of value even against a passive fish, unless he has something really good. Maybe 99,TT,JJ would call 3 streets if no over comes, but really, dunno, I think most fish could find a fold.

What about checking, and betting turn and river, def on the larger side?

Cool, thanks

Bought the book 2 or 3 days ago (updated version 2), I am now at about page 170. Really loving the style and clarity with which concepts are explained so far, as well as the layout.

The only one minor gripe for me thus far is that I am really not much of a fan of reading pdf's on my screen, would much rather have this as an actual book in my hands. I do believe that having this published and sold on Amazon might well increase sales for you - now, with some time after the initial release, are you considering this option still at all?

Just saying

i only buy paperbook

Could you send the pdf off to some company and get them to print it for you? Maybe it would be too expensive to do not in bulk.

Had checked that already before my post. It's more than €100 (for one copy), and it seems like I am not the only one who would buy a proper book, even though, if that ever happens, by then I will have worked through the material, and re-worked through it again ...