Grinders manual, and I figured out the sideloading stuff. Did Send to Kindle from PC and it was fine.

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Don't even know what side-loading is, because I don't have Kindle. I can only say that reading it on iPad works perfect for me ... maybe someone who has both can compare

^side-loading is copying directly between two machines at the same location (e.g. using a USB cable) rather than downloading from "cyberspace" to your location or uploading things from your location to cyberspace.

Quick question about Hand 7, about opening from SB: With Hero as SB, and BB is a reg with stats 21/17/52/8/49 (VPIP/PFR/BBvsSB Open - Fold %/3Bet Pre/Fold to Flop CBet), Peter in the book infers a wide flatting from villain's stats - How do those stats represent a wide flatting range?

I don't use HUDs but as I'm first in, isn't it the 3rd number that says he's defending 48% of hands to an SB open?

Not sure if that's "wide" relative to the player pool these days but it's wide in absolute terms.

Going to reread TGM over the next month and will post any more feedback ITT.

You're implicitly stating that if one isnt 3-betting, then that's still considered a steal defense. Bear with me but I thought that for it to be a defense, then you 3-bet?

Okay, I think I get it: Since hes not folding to SB open (third stat), and he's also not 3 betting often (fourth stat), then the only other way he can be in the hand is if he's flatting. Did I do it right?!?!?

Edit: "8" is considered average, or what Peter says is "fairly frequently" in the example, for 3 Betting... Still, if you're still in the hand, yet are not 3Betting, then you'd be considered "flatting", correct?

Can someone who's familiar with the book explain how the RFE principle is applied to the concept of c-betting in section 4.3?

Ive reread this section several times and don't understand what Peter is trying to share with the reader. There's two hand examples, and while the first one helps to set the stage for the concept to be introduced, the second one doesn't really follow it up enough to help connect the dots, or at least for me that's the case.

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Are you referring to the hand where the aggro fish V defends his SB aggressively and the Hero flops nothing with little equity (fold or value) or showdown value where the V checks and H is advised to check behind?

If so then what exactly are you not understanding?

I ended up working it out, but I do have another issue if you're interested in helping.

In 7.1, facing bets in end of action spots, author has a criteria that breaks down when hero would want to perform an end of action call on the river, based on villain's HUD stats and action throughout the hand up to and through the river. The first criteria is the following question, "Is it likely for villain to be value betting worse hands?"

Unfortunately, I'm having a tough time making a connection between how the author is drawing conclusions, between the three hand examples that follow in section 7.2. For the first two hand examples, the boards are very similar and with villian opening from the SB or BU, ranges are already wide, and then villain already has aggressive stats between the two examples. Still, in the first example, hand 49, it's "unlikely,but possible"and then in hand 50, unless im misunderstanding, his phrasing implies that it's more likely villain could be called betting with worse hands

To me, it just seems that there isn't enough information or distinction to draw any conclusion.

Side note about this book: As much as I think it's comprehensive and really solid, I think some of the hand examples could do a better job connecting the dots. While most of the time, it just takes rereading a section once and things will click, there are a few times where I feel like I've really had to bang my head against a wall to figure something out.

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^(In both cases a K comes on the turn as an overcard and the river is a blank)

I think the sizing makes a difference. In 49 we flopped TPTK that is now 2nd pair. The near full pot bet makes it unlikely that villain flopped TP2K or worse that is now 2nd pair and betting full pot.

In 50 we turned TP3K and he is betting half pot. He could easily bet a weaker top pair for half pot and expect to be good a lot of the time.

Let's just talk Hand 49 for a moment.

On the turn, author says, "Kc is far from the best card, but one that villain is very likely to continue betting on with a large part of his range."

Why is villain likely to continue betting? Am I supposed to just draw this inference from his C-bet Turn stat?

After that, author goes to the two part process, the only issue that I struggle with at the moment being part 2- Actual Equity,

so Question 1: "Is it likely that Villain can be value betting worse hands?" Author says that it's unlikely but possible... Worse hands than my TPTK, right? ...But then he says that his large sizing makes this less likely, and this is where I'm confused again - Where in the book does it state that one changes their sizing due to hand strength? He mentions Hero can do it against fish in the C-bet and value bet sections, but never from villains point of view to help lead us to any sort of conclusion (unless I missed it).

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Just getting back into the game. Bought the book today after reading through the thread and we'll see how it goes. I am terrible so it can only help me haha. My plan is to focus on one chapter at a time and not moving on until I feel 100% confident in the concepts. I'll be playing lowest stakes possible to start. I'll drop in from time to time to give my beginners thoughts and progress (hopefully heh). I was never a winning online player.

No, at this stage your A9 is second pair, top kicker as a K came on the turn.

I'm not sure where it is addressed in the book, but generally there isn't much point betting really big with "upper medium" strength hands like e.g. T9 would be on this board as too many of the hands it's hoping to get value from would fold and it's mostly putting in money against our hands that beat it.

Generally though human players pick a sizing for a spot depending on their whole range and if a big sizing is chosen then the "upper medium" hands like T9 don't get bet - so it shouldn't be a case of villain's sizing giving away a specific part of his range, rather it's just giving us a clue to what the whole range is.

BTW I am reading 100 hands now. Will post a review when I finish.

I went on to read about hand 52 (Hand 51 wasn't too bad), and when it got to the 3 questions, I think I realized my hang up a bit, and that's how the author uses the term, "Value bet". By definition, he says it's when you have greater than 50% equity than your opponent... What's the thought process behind determining that? Just when you think you're ahead of at least 50% of your opponents range in a hand?

I agree that for hand 52, for villain to have a weaker value betting hand, it's unlikely... So maybe that's just been my hang up? Sorry, I know I'm kind of thinking out loud here. It's just confusing.

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Reread chapter 5.

There is some discussion about this eariler ITT, but we mostly agree that for a pure value bet in position important to be ahead of 50% of the range you get called by.

Yeah, things are clicking now and my hang up is around there.



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Would this book help someone who is new to cash games and is only
interested in playing live full ring? I’m aware that it’s targeted for 6-max online, wondering if it crosses over to live full-ring just as well?

How would this look on a bog standard kindle? I assume the graphs and stuff would look pretty bad.

Are people viewing it on the kindle app on tablets? Guessing that is the optimal way just wanted to clarify.

Thanks

It's very nice to read on an iPad. I don't have Kindle but can only imagine that it would be worse.

No idea, but I paid $50 for a Fire 8 and it's terrific. I have tons of highlights and notes

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Do you mean a 2007 Kindle?

It looks fine on a Kindle Fire HD.

AJ, is raising discussed in depth in the book, or at least, solidly fleshed out at some point, perhaps with flowchart?

I'm going through chapter 8 and author discussing raising in open-action spots, and to size accordingly if and when you want to shove on the river. Just kind of came out quickly and I'm wondering if he'll break this down more later on.

Thanks.

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Would this be a good first book for a beginner (micro 6 max NLHE)? Or some other book I've seen recommended like Theory of Poker, Easy Game, Crushing Microstakes, Harrington on hold em or Harrington on online cash games 6 max NLHE?

How long have you been dabbling with poker?

Its the equivalent of handing someone a text book and saying, "Knock yourself out. This will get you started for sure".

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If you're starting from not having read anything at all, I'd say before you read it (or anything else) you should definitely read the short articles on www.thepokerbank.com as they give you the basic poker vocabulary to know what the hell we are all talking about with our "reverse implied odds" and stuff like that.