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Originally Posted by tapeitup
TGM was great, i went ahead and ordered 100hands for kindle a few days ago.
Hand 28: is this a troll? Call KJo from BB after a raise and call, flop JJ9, decide to lead it, get raised, call flop, call turn, fold river on brick brick??!? Why lead at all then? Why call pre when you flop the best possible hand for your two hole cards just about?
Getting raised after leading is a fairly rare occruence so it would be a mistake to evaluate the decision to lead based only on how we play or feel after getting raised. Our EV when we get raised here will never be good, but nor will it be great if we check/call down three times to a triple in a pot that was three way on the flop. essentially when our opponents take lines that rep better hands than ours, they will often have those hands in this situation and so none of these worlds are good for us regardless of how we played the flop.
Correct me if I'm reading your post wrong, but you seem to be making a very shaky assumption here that our calling ranges shouldn't narrow if the board texture doesn't change. Optimal play actually requires that we have some hands that fold to the flop raise, others that call flop fold turn; another group that call flop and turn and then fold river; and lastly a group that calls down. To want to call all of your bluff catchers because of no change in board texture is to assume that Villain is overbluffing (bluffing more than is balanced) We do not have reason to suppose this is true here.
We do not know what Villain's range is. Rather than guess what street to fold, we decide where this hand falls in our range and if population reads may guide us to fold less or more than is balanced. The third barrell is very rarely fired in these games, especially on non changing run-outs, hence the suggestion that we should fold on the river and overfold the range with which we arrive there.
Lastly, no I don't try to troll my readers and I am happy for them to disagree. It can only generate healthy discussion.