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Old 05-24-2017, 10:11 PM   #1
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No-Limit Hold ’em For Advanced Players by Matthew Janda Reviews and discussion

Now that the eBook is hitting the street, firing up this thread to discuss the content.

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Old 05-25-2017, 12:58 AM   #2
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Haven't been playing or reading about poker much lately, but Janda's last book came at a time when I was doing a fair bit of both, and it was good enough that I thought this might be worth reading for pleasure, even if I don't have a chance to profit from it financially. Seemed like a total steal at the asking price, and the 20% off coupon code persuaded me to go ahead and pick it up now rather than wait.

Only 29 pages in, but initial thoughts are that it was worth the purchase. May or may not write an in-depth review after I finish the thing, but thought I'd call attention to a typo in the first sentence of the last paragraph on page 29: "niether" should be "neither." Never understood why the best publisher of poker books in the world so consistently put out works with typos in them, but glad to see that some things never change.
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Old 05-25-2017, 10:14 AM   #3
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You say "niether" and I say "neither".
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Old 05-26-2017, 06:20 AM   #4
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So I finished reading the book. It's a much more abstract and high level approach than Applications. There's very little math and it doesn't get bogged down in software results. The mentions of PIO and Snowie are brief.

What it does is take some very important concepts and illustrates how to apply them. If you're not familiar with them then this book will be very valuable to you. Even to people already familiar with things like overbetting, polarization, equity denial etc. it's a good refresher.

At the end of the day the most important decision you will face in holdem is whether to bet or to check and if you bet what sizing you should use. This is where I think the book is very valuable, it moves the theory of betting beyond the traditional "value or bluff" to something more advanced. In particular the chapters on flop and turn play are excellent.

The only criticism I have is that it mainly focuses on playing in position against the blinds. Granted that's the most common situation in poker but I would have liked a bit more discussion about OOP play, especially as the PFR.
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Old 05-29-2017, 01:36 PM   #5
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Basically snap bought it, will post a review sometime next week. Been looking forward to this book for a while now!
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Old 05-30-2017, 12:13 PM   #6
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Page 76. Table V.

"458 combos (34.5%)" not "438 combos (34.5%)"

Page 80. Table VI


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Old 05-30-2017, 01:38 PM   #7
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Awaiting feedback from strong online players, strongly considering a purchase.
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Old 05-30-2017, 07:47 PM   #8
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First of all, sorry for my bad English. I can read the book well but have problems writing in English. But anyway i'll try.

I have some questions for Matthew after skimming this book for the first time:

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Flush draws, straight draws, and weak hands with robust equity can usually be bet in either range and likely won’t be listed in the big or small betting range despite the fact that they are usually bet (also note it’s usually important to have draws in multiple ranges).
I know that i should not bet all of my draws on any given flop(but most of them). But how to decide which one to bet and which one to check back? By number of outs, showdown value?
And how to choose what size to use for betting draw? Number of outs, flop texture or just random?

And second question about overbetting. Haven't seen any example of bluff hand for overbetting(100BB stacks). How to choose best hands for overbet bluffing on the turn? Can you give some examples?
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Old 05-30-2017, 09:12 PM   #9
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Just curious how long the discount will be for? Interested in buying this book and get paid tomorrow.
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When will the book be on kindle?
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Old 05-31-2017, 09:33 AM   #11
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Old 05-31-2017, 01:43 PM   #12
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And second question about overbetting. Haven't seen any example of bluff hand for overbetting(100BB stacks). How to choose best hands for overbet bluffing on the turn? Can you give some examples?
Combo draws are often good choices, due to the blockers and equity.
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Old 05-31-2017, 08:20 PM   #13
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First of all, sorry for my bad English. I can read the book well but have problems writing in English. But anyway i'll try.

I have some questions for Matthew after skimming this book for the first time:



I know that i should not bet all of my draws on any given flop(but most of them). But how to decide which one to bet and which one to check back? By number of outs, showdown value?
And how to choose what size to use for betting draw? Number of outs, flop texture or just random?

And second question about overbetting. Haven't seen any example of bluff hand for overbetting(100BB stacks). How to choose best hands for overbet bluffing on the turn? Can you give some examples?
Pick any example of an overbet spot in the book (or make up one of your own) and I'll tell you the hands I would like overbet bluffing in practice.

As mentioned earlier in that long section that discussed by we could check back or bet a king high flush draw in a single raised pot button vs BB situation, there are likely many, many mixed strategies with draws. So many draws can likely be played as either bets or checks, which is why they often weren't listed.

In practice I would probably never check back a strong draw though. I think I mention explicitly in the book that if we open button and an unknown big blind calls, if the flop comes two hearts and a club there are probably no flush draws I'd check back in reality vs an unknown. But again, that's exploiatable.
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Hi tuccotrading:

We have now approved the kindle files and expect Amazon to be offering the kindle at any moment.

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Old 05-31-2017, 08:23 PM   #15
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Page 76. Table V.

"458 combos (34.5%)" not "438 combos (34.5%)"

Page 80. Table VI

Thanks for double check this and pointing that out. A few things probably got changed during editing and not all the numbers were properly tweaked.

The good thing about percentages being slightly off though is it absolutely won't affect any of the advice anywhere in the book unless there is a sizable mistake.
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Old 06-01-2017, 12:07 PM   #16
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Read the kindle sample.... looked solid... purchased!




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Old 06-01-2017, 03:50 PM   #17
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Where did you find it? I'm only seeing the paperback format on Amazon. Thanks.
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Old 06-01-2017, 04:38 PM   #18
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Thank you for answering.

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Pick any example of an overbet spot in the book (or make up one of your own) and I'll tell you the hands I would like overbet bluffing in practice.
For example AT2 8 or 672 J
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Where did you find it? I'm only seeing the paperback format on Amazon. Thanks.


https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B071W...VqL&ref=plSrch


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Thanks. It's strange, I still can't find it through Amazon but your direct link obviously worked.
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We have now approved the kindle files and expect Amazon to be offering the kindle at any moment.

Best wishes,
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It's available, but priced as $35! Yikes.

It's actually cheaper to buy the paperback at $28.53 and add the kindle version for another $2.99.

Hopefully they'll lower the price on the kindle version soon. Or maybe I can find someone local who wants a hard copy, as I won't need a second hard copy until I wear out the first (which I bought from this site so can't buy the kindle at $3).

Perhaps the kindle version will come down in price when the paperback starts shipping.
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Haven't been playing or reading about poker much lately, but Janda's last book came at a time when I was doing a fair bit of both, and it was good enough that I thought this might be worth reading for pleasure, even if I don't have a chance to profit from it financially. Seemed like a total steal at the asking price, and the 20% off coupon code persuaded me to go ahead and pick it up now rather than wait.

Only 29 pages in, but initial thoughts are that it was worth the purchase. May or may not write an in-depth review after I finish the thing, but thought I'd call attention to a typo in the first sentence of the last paragraph on page 29: "niether" should be "neither." Never understood why the best publisher of poker books in the world so consistently put out works with typos in them, but glad to see that some things never change.
I must have found about 100 mistakes in Applications. Some typos, but many in the hand ranges (adding the hands up in various ranges in the examples didn't jive with what was written in the text). Sometimes this caused confusion about whether the explanations were correct, but most of the time could probably be ignored. Some of this is understandable because a typical editor probably won't double and triple check the math on the hand examples. But the number of them was a little bothersome.
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It's available, but priced as $35! Yikes.

It's actually cheaper to buy the paperback at $28.53 and add the kindle version for another $2.99.

I wish I knew that was an option





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It's available, but priced as $35! Yikes.

It's actually cheaper to buy the paperback at $28.53 and add the kindle version for another $2.99.
Has anyone tried this?
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Has anyone tried this?
I purchased a number of 2+2 kindle books for this price last year, when I became aware of the offer. Luckily, I had purchased the paperbacks from Amazon so I qualified. Unfortunately, I didn't see this offer for 2+2's most recent book before NLHFAP, so I assumed they no longer offered it. So I purchased NLHFAP from Professional Poker to get it asap.

By the way, the paperback version is now over $30 and kindle still $35.

The $2.99 kindle price is called the matchbook price.
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