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06-22-2019 , 05:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Matthew Janda
Going all in is just a 1.5 PSB and you have lots of equity even when behind and called so it seems fine to me.
Thank you, I appreciate your response
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07-10-2019 , 07:54 AM
I'm a little confused by a sentence on page 169 "check raising the turn or river with a stronger range."

The following sentence seems counterintuitive to me I'll explain why under so hopefully someone can tell me where my thoughts are going astray.

"...we're on the turn after having check called the flop, as in this case our range will rarely be stronger than our opponents and will often be much weaker."

A few pages prior it talks about over folding many flops oop even folding more than mdf would state.

That made sense to me. We are oop with multiple betting rounds to go and deep so the EV of our hand given is likely not sufficient to allow us to call at mdf.

So when the oop player does tend to c/c a flop bet they are culling a lot of the crappiest parts of their range. Where as the IP better still has a fairly wide and junky range since they should be c-betting at a high frequency knowing that oop has to over fold.

To me this means that after the flop action before the turn card is placed the oop players range picks up a TON of equity on the IP players range. Simply because now the oop players range has removed its weakest holdings where as the IP players range is still littered with junk.

Example let's say btn opens 2x with 65% of hands and bb calls 75% (I honestly don't know what's optimal here). Flop comes Q84r bb c/c a 1/2 ps c-bet from btn. What part of btn's range is c-betting here? Nearly all of it for simplicity let's say 80% c-bet. That means now btn has the top 50% of his range (assume btn is c-betting a linear range). What range is c/c from bb? Let's assume bb c/c is optimal, so we know he's c/cing less than 67% of his range even though mdf would state he should call 67%. So let's say he c/c 50%. That means bb range consists of the top 37.5% of his range.

To me this indicates that bb has a stronger range after the flop action has concluded.

So I'm a little conflicted by the quote above because of the way I'm reasoning it out above.

Hopefully someone can help me course correct.

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07-10-2019 , 08:09 AM
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Originally Posted by El Barbero
I'm a little confused by a sentence on page 169 "check raising the turn or river with a stronger range."

The following sentence seems counterintuitive to me I'll explain why under so hopefully someone can tell me where my thoughts are going astray.

"...we're on the turn after having check called the flop, as in this case our range will rarely be stronger than our opponents and will often be much weaker."

A few pages prior it talks about over folding many flops oop even folding more than mdf would state.

That made sense to me. We are oop with multiple betting rounds to go and deep so the EV of our hand given is likely not sufficient to allow us to call at mdf.

So when the oop player does tend to c/c a flop bet they are culling a lot of the crappiest parts of their range. Where as the IP better still has a fairly wide and junky range since they should be c-betting at a high frequency knowing that oop has to over fold.

To me this means that after the flop action before the turn card is placed the oop players range picks up a TON of equity on the IP players range. Simply because now the oop players range has removed its weakest holdings where as the IP players range is still littered with junk.

Example let's say btn opens 2x with 65% of hands and bb calls 75% (I honestly don't know what's optimal here). Flop comes Q84r bb c/c a 1/2 ps c-bet from btn. What part of btn's range is c-betting here? Nearly all of it for simplicity let's say 80% c-bet. That means now btn has the top 50% of his range (assume btn is c-betting a linear range). What range is c/c from bb? Let's assume bb c/c is optimal, so we know he's c/cing less than 67% of his range even though mdf would state he should call 67%. So let's say he c/c 50%. That means bb range consists of the top 37.5% of his range.

To me this indicates that bb has a stronger range after the flop action has concluded.

So I'm a little conflicted by the quote above because of the way I'm reasoning it out above.

Hopefully someone can help me course correct.
BB's range will usually be capped on the turn as he didn't xr flop whereas BTN's won't.

BTN should be cbetting in a way that he has many good hands on many turns, both when he bets and when he checks back, but emphasis is placed on the betting range as the pot on the turn will be larger after bet/call flop so it's more important to be strong in that line. This is basically what GTO attempts to do.
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07-10-2019 , 08:18 AM
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Originally Posted by mrno1324
BB's range will usually be capped on the turn as he didn't xr flop whereas BTN's won't.

BTN should be cbetting in a way that he has many good hands on many turns, both when he bets and when he checks back, but emphasis is placed on the betting range as the pot on the turn will be larger after bet/call flop so it's more important to be strong in that line. This is basically what GTO attempts to do.
I agree with all of this, but to me this just means btn has a nuts advantage because of the bbs capped range. I still feel that bb has a range advantage though. Maybe I am not giving enough credit to the impact of having a nut advantage to the value of the range.

Is it possible the sentence would be better stated as...

"...we're on the turn after having check called the flop, as in this case the EV of our range will rarely be higher than our opponents and will often be much lower".

I don't know, I just feel after that flop action the bb has a range but not a nut advantage. This combination might make the btn have an ev advantage, but I still struggle with pulling that from the sentence.
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07-11-2019 , 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by El Barbero
I agree with all of this, but to me this just means btn has a nuts advantage because of the bbs capped range. I still feel that bb has a range advantage though. Maybe I am not giving enough credit to the impact of having a nut advantage to the value of the range.

Is it possible the sentence would be better stated as...

"...we're on the turn after having check called the flop, as in this case the EV of our range will rarely be higher than our opponents and will often be much lower".

I don't know, I just feel after that flop action the bb has a range but not a nut advantage. This combination might make the btn have an ev advantage, but I still struggle with pulling that from the sentence.
"Range advantage" is pretty hard if not impossible to define. Depends on both absolute equity of each range and distribution of equity. One range having the nuts 3%-5% of the time and the other range never having it is also a really big deal, more than just the equity alone would suggest.
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07-19-2019 , 07:43 PM
Hi,

If I just buy your newer book (No Limit Holden for Advanced Players) to work on my strategy, do I "miss" parts of it without reading your first one? I think you already wrote somewhere that NLHFAP is not Applications 2.0, but I would appreciate if you could explain the differences in content, goal of the book etc. a little bit.

I hope this wasn't asked yet, but if so maybe someone can tell me the page...
Thank you.
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07-21-2019 , 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Yield
Hi,

If I just buy your newer book (No Limit Holden for Advanced Players) to work on my strategy, do I "miss" parts of it without reading your first one? I think you already wrote somewhere that NLHFAP is not Applications 2.0, but I would appreciate if you could explain the differences in content, goal of the book etc. a little bit.

I hope this wasn't asked yet, but if so maybe someone can tell me the page...
Thank you.
You'll miss parts that explain where some of the information/theory came from, but I don't think you'll be missing any major concepts.

Newer book is more refined and streamlined largely due to solvers and having 4 years to think about these concepts and discuss them with people and fine tune them. A lot of time long explanations help you understand concepts better and explaining why we believe certain theory is correct is probably in more detail in Applications. Hope that helps
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07-21-2019 , 03:00 PM
It does. Thank you.
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07-25-2019 , 05:20 AM
Hi Matt,

Reading through your book again, I’m wondering why you moved away from the old bet 60-70% of range per street model (dependent on size chose) to your newer model?

Also what’s your checking frequency on turns after a small merged flop cb size?

One more random question. On boards where we can range bet why choose a small sizing and not say 70-80% if we’re betting because we have such an advantage?

Thanks for the book. It’s great!
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07-25-2019 , 02:52 PM
Hi Mathew, I have both books and enjoying them immensely.
First, thank you for making yourself available to answer questions.
I have questions regarding short stack strategy.
I play in Los Angeles with a structure of a 3-5 dollar blinds and capped buy in
of $300. While some players buy in for 300-60bbs, most I find buy in for 200-40bbs. There are usually 1-2 players deeper at 100bbs plus but most are 40-50bbs in front of them.
1- Because of the structure, should I use the short stack strategy outlined in your book, or would there be any difference since pretty much everyone is short stacked?
2-I’m not ready for 5-10, so the available structures are the one above, 1-3$ blinds with 200 max buy, 5-5 blinds with 500$ max buy in. Want to get your take on these games in general and what’s best structure. I’m assuming the 1-3 blinds but need help in general how to approach this type of structure, especially with the 6-$ rake
Thank you ver ymuch

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10-31-2019 , 10:03 AM
Applications pg 145 top half. If our bets are balanced 0EV and we checkback air 30p of the time, then villain can just call down all his showdown to freeroll, no?
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10-31-2019 , 12:59 PM
Oh theres another thread for Applications
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11-04-2019 , 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Gabe16
Hi Matt,

Reading through your book again, I’m wondering why you moved away from the old bet 60-70% of range per street model (dependent on size chose) to your newer model?
Looking at software and seeing what lines have the highest EV and having a better understanding of poker theory (partly in due to the software, partly due to everyone gets better over time).

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Also what’s your checking frequency on turns after a small merged flop cb size?
Not sure what a "small merged flop cb size" means.

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Originally Posted by Gabe16
One more random question. On boards where we can range bet why choose a small sizing and not say 70-80% if we’re betting because we have such an advantage?

Thanks for the book. It’s great!
If betting small with your entire range has the highest EV, it most likely has to do with your range having more equity than your opponents but the equity isn't distributed in such a way that you have enough nut-type hands that you can bet big.

If your range is that much better than your opponents you're right you would just bet big and claim the pot
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11-04-2019 , 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Softstep
Hi Mathew, I have both books and enjoying them immensely.
First, thank you for making yourself available to answer questions.
I have questions regarding short stack strategy.
I play in Los Angeles with a structure of a 3-5 dollar blinds and capped buy in
of $300. While some players buy in for 300-60bbs, most I find buy in for 200-40bbs. There are usually 1-2 players deeper at 100bbs plus but most are 40-50bbs in front of them.
1- Because of the structure, should I use the short stack strategy outlined in your book, or would there be any difference since pretty much everyone is short stacked?
2-I’m not ready for 5-10, so the available structures are the one above, 1-3$ blinds with 200 max buy, 5-5 blinds with 500$ max buy in. Want to get your take on these games in general and what’s best structure. I’m assuming the 1-3 blinds but need help in general how to approach this type of structure, especially with the 6-$ rake
Thank you ver ymuch
I am not a good person to ask regarding live play, as I have minimal lifetime experience live.

Shortstacks have a mathematical advantage over big stacks. In other words, in a rake-less game, one guy playing 20BB deep would have an advantage at a table full of guys 100BB deep.

If you are much better than your opponents, which is probably a realistic accomplishment at low/medium stakes live, than your EV will probably be higher if you have the big stack anyways and can play for more money when appropriate.
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11-05-2019 , 06:58 PM
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11-13-2019 , 07:48 PM
Hi Matthew!
Reading your two books (and also reading discussion in this thread) made me realize how great and deep poker can be. So thank you for your effort.
I have an interesting question for you: I'm playing 0.1/0.2 live with $20 buyin but the opening size is about $2 (live games usually play bigger, right), so preflop I play 100bb deep, but post flop I am effectively only 10bb (or 10 bringins if you like) deep. What are your thoughts on what strategy should be used preflop here? I'm guessing I should play as I would if it was 10bb deep, but then I guess I would need much bigger bankroll, right? Or should I play especially tight, since raise preflop is 10x?
I used to follow the 2nd strategy but felt it just made me miss much value.
Thank you in advance for your answer! Cheers!
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11-17-2019 , 08:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Vutrassin
Hi Matthew!
Reading your two books (and also reading discussion in this thread) made me realize how great and deep poker can be. So thank you for your effort.
I have an interesting question for you: I'm playing 0.1/0.2 live with $20 buyin but the opening size is about $2 (live games usually play bigger, right), so preflop I play 100bb deep, but post flop I am effectively only 10bb (or 10 bringins if you like) deep. What are your thoughts on what strategy should be used preflop here? I'm guessing I should play as I would if it was 10bb deep, but then I guess I would need much bigger bankroll, right? Or should I play especially tight, since raise preflop is 10x?
I used to follow the 2nd strategy but felt it just made me miss much value.
Thank you in advance for your answer! Cheers!
I'd play very exploitatively. Your pre-flop strategy will depend on how they play post-flop.

Example: Are they so bad you can play lots of hands pre-flop just to find yourself in (exploitatively) +++EV spots post-flop?
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11-19-2019 , 09:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Matthew Janda
I'd play very exploitatively. Your pre-flop strategy will depend on how they play post-flop.

Example: Are they so bad you can play lots of hands pre-flop just to find yourself in (exploitatively) +++EV spots post-flop?
There are quite some players I could say are so bad I could play any two cards against them in position, but pots usually go multiway (say 3 or 4 players). Do you have any idea what my calling/raising/limping ranges should look like?
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12-22-2019 , 06:47 AM
Hi Matthew, I picked up your book some days ago and I've already have some questions that I'd like to post. Probably I'm going to finish the book before, so maybe some confusion will be cleared up.

Anyway, I've notice the last post was 1 month ago and it is unreplied, so... do you still reply to questions in this thread?

Ty and have a good Xmax
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12-22-2019 , 11:50 AM
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There are quite some players I could say are so bad I could play any two cards against them in position, but pots usually go multiway (say 3 or 4 players). Do you have any idea what my calling/raising/limping ranges should look like?
Really hard (probably impossible) for me to give you useful advice on how to exploit specific opponents when all I know is they are passive and bad. If I did say anything, it'd probably be nothing you haven't heard before (wait to make strong hands and then bet a lot vs passive players).
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12-22-2019 , 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by forCarlotta
Hi Matthew, I picked up your book some days ago and I've already have some questions that I'd like to post. Probably I'm going to finish the book before, so maybe some confusion will be cleared up.

Anyway, I've notice the last post was 1 month ago and it is unreplied, so... do you still reply to questions in this thread?

Ty and have a good Xmax
Yeah I answer them, sometimes I just forget or used to wait for a few questions to build up before answering.

Usually I'll get a PM if someone really wants a question asked and I forget though.
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12-31-2019 , 04:51 PM
Here we go... a lot of questions though

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A mixed strategy occurs when the EV of two lines is exactly equal. In theory, this is an extremely common occurrence in poker because if a player always takes the same line with the same hand in certain situations he can be exploited. For example, if a player 3-bets all of his AK hands preflop and is called, he’ll have 16 combinations of AK post flop on the 9♣ 5♠ 3♦ flop. If he bets all of his AK hands on the flop, he may be betting too often and his range may consist of so many AK hands that his opponent can exploit him. Likewise, if he checks with all his AK hands, he may not improve often enough on an ace or king turn after having bet the flop. So while there are many other variables at play here, it’s reasonable to entertain the idea that betting sometimes and checking others may be correct. But in order for a mixed strategy of betting and checking the AK to be best, the EV of both lines must be exactly equal or we’d always prefer to take the most profitable line. The concept of mixed strategies and how prevalent they are is often both surprising and confusing to new players. In fact, in many situations, most hands may be part of mixed strategies and only a few hands follow pure strategies (i.e. they always take the same lines)
Disclaimer: I don’t have PIO or any other solver and I didn’t dig in any GTO sotftware and/or teaching video

Although I don’t any GTO background, I’ve seen a lot of PIO screenshots and all of them contains 99% of mixed strategies.
Let’s say PIO says AK is a bet 60% of the times and a check 40%, what does really mean and what we can extrapolate? We should strive to achieve those percentages?
Because I guess the 60%bet/40%check strategy is an equilibrium only if we follow the turn and river strategies accordingly right? What really happens if we bet and check 50/50?

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Why We Bet and Raise
- We bet or raise to make the pot bigger in case we win
- We bet or raise to deny our opponent the ability to realize his equity.

Now Reason No. 1 looks remarkably similar to “we bet for value” and Reason No. 2 looks similar to “we bet as a bluff,” but the small differences matter a tremendous amount. Most notably, the two reasons given for betting or raising are not mutually exclusive. In fact, the best spots to raise or bet will usually be where we’re satisfying both reasons
While I understand what you say I find it a little confusing given what you have written before

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suppose you have the 8♥ 7♥ on the J♥ 7♣ 5♥ board. This hand has a ton of equity, but what part of the equity is robust and what part is non-robust?
Here, the most robust equity component is the flush draw and runner-runner straight draw, whereas the non-robust equity component is the middle pair. Additionally, if we make two pair or trips, we’ll also have a hand with reasonably robust equity (though it will of course depend on how big the pot gets). This can often make playing hands like this tricky, as we’ll frequently want to make sure we retain the equity of our middle pair. So, in some situations, automatically raising this hand will be a mistake because by raising it’s unlikely for us to win at showdown with the pair of sevens (as all worse hands would have been folded).
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When multiple players are getting to see a flop, the term “pot odds” loses most of its meaning. Pots odds are relevant when you’re getting 4-to-1 odds on a call heads up, such as when you call a button min-raise with antes in the big blind. But once the pot becomes multiway, your odds of winning also decrease with each additional player and the dead money needs to be divided among all active players. Saying “pot odds” as the 4th caller is akin to saying “pot odds” when buying a lotto ticket. That’s because despite the fact you’re getting better odds, you’re less likely to win. This means that hands like 97s and 65s often overrated, especially when playing against strong opponent
I understand the what posted above and this is especially true vs strong opponents who won’t pay us off when the board is drawy and we have an obvious hand. At the same time is quite unlikely that 4 strong opponents will see the flop at the same time, is more likely that would be a mix with at least one fish in between. Vs one or multiple fishes our implied odd skyrocket, so speculative hands gain value when they hit.
Have you tried to query your DB (or even a larger one) to find whether those speculative hands aren’t really profitable? Because, at least for me, this looks like a spot when in theory you are right and those hands are overrated, but in practice they are profitable

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I understand the what posted above and this is especially true vs strong opponents who won’t pay us off when the board is drawy and we have an obvious hand. At the same time is quite unlikely that 4 strong opponents will see the flop at the same time, is more likely that would be a mix with at least one fish in between. Vs one or multiple fishes our implied odd skyrocket, so speculative hands gain value when they hit.
Have you tried to query your DB (or even a larger one) to find whether those speculative hands aren’t really profitable? Because, at least for me, this looks like a spot when in theory you are right and those hands are overrated, but in practice they are profitable
If our opponents holds a draw like QT we want to charge it ofc, but at the same time we don’t want to lose value betting too big. If we are against a solid opponent he will fold the draws while actually, we hope for a call without proper oddsodds… isn’t our EV higher if Villain calls a bet without odds?
Since Villain is capped,I don’t think a competent one will shove over our polarized overbet, so that’s the case when we bet OTF and got a call we shouldn’t be simply overbet very very often, with that I mean our entire range, OTT without fear of facing something big?

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Suppose you open in the cutoff and the button calls. The flop comes the J♥6♣5♣. You bet $5 into a $10 pot and the button raises to $15. At what frequency must you defend here before your opponent can profitably raise you with any two cards? Why might this problematic if you bet the flop at a high frequency?
Answer: Your opponent is risking $15 to win $15, so his raise needs to work only 50 percent of the time to show an immediate profit. But since you will mostly defend against the raise by calling (rather than raising), he’ll also frequently have a chance to outdraw you with his bluffs. You’ll thus need to defend significantly more than 50 percent of the time to prevent yourself from being easily exploitable
I play NL25 and NL50, so this could be pool dependant, but the above example is very frequent and yet, I still have to see check-raises often. Seems to me that we can comfortably x/r very very wide and autoprofit since my player pool doesn’t defend 50%, not even close.
Anyway I guess that even on higher levels there aren’t many check-raises, why is that?


Have a wonderful 2020 Matthew
Thanks in advance
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02-05-2020 , 06:20 AM
I want to add another question to the above ones.

I've recently watched a video on RIO and a coach find that the most +EV size vs a BTN open is 5x and, surprisingly, the range the solver 3bets is a linear and not polar.
This is unexpected since your reasoning behind 3bet more polar as we increase our 3bet size makes a lot of sense.
Seems that the only reason, or at least the main one reason, to choose between a linear or a polar range is the 4bet % we are going to face. So vs a BTN open, BTN is incentivized to call more to capitalize on his postflop positional advantage, while his 4bet % is going down.

Does this finding invalidates or weakens your theory?
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02-06-2020 , 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by forCarlotta
I want to add another question to the above ones.

I've recently watched a video on RIO and a coach find that the most +EV size vs a BTN open is 5x and, surprisingly, the range the solver 3bets is a linear and not polar.
This is unexpected since your reasoning behind 3bet more polar as we increase our 3bet size makes a lot of sense.
Seems that the only reason, or at least the main one reason, to choose between a linear or a polar range is the 4bet % we are going to face. So vs a BTN open, BTN is incentivized to call more to capitalize on his postflop positional advantage, while his 4bet % is going down.

Does this finding invalidates or weakens your theory?
Who was that?Sometimes I think that all of this coaching is just selling fog.Solvers r giving output according to our input.So u put your ranges ,you put your bet sizes and solver will give u the solution.EV will be the same whatever size u choose.Maybe until your opponent adjusts to your 5x u will print money but against the optimal opponent EV will always be the same.5x will create lower Stack to Pot ratio and that's way there is no more room for polar range manoeuvre so we go linear.That is my opinion after training a lot with Poker Snowie.
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02-07-2020 , 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted by forCarlotta
I want to add another question to the above ones.

I've recently watched a video on RIO and a coach find that the most +EV size vs a BTN open is 5x and, surprisingly, the range the solver 3bets is a linear and not polar.
This is unexpected since your reasoning behind 3bet more polar as we increase our 3bet size makes a lot of sense.
Seems that the only reason, or at least the main one reason, to choose between a linear or a polar range is the 4bet % we are going to face. So vs a BTN open, BTN is incentivized to call more to capitalize on his postflop positional advantage, while his 4bet % is going down.

Does this finding invalidates or weakens your theory?
I'd have to look at the actual results of what the solver said.

It does not make sense to me why a bigger bet would encourage a more linear range. So in addition to the solver analysis I'd have to see the reasoning laid out before me before I'd change my mind.
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