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05-30-2012 , 11:10 AM
Anyone inquire about an ebook ? lol. Seriously, I cant wait too.
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05-30-2012 , 05:31 PM
Zach's too modest. Only a third through the book but it's excellent. Owe him a review soon. Here's Zach in studio for a Badugi All Stars interview.
http://media.blubrry.com/badugi/p/ba...tars_ep_22.mp3

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06-02-2012 , 03:01 AM
I've read it and agree with the posters. It is hands down the best tells book written to date. With a lot of books out there, it is rare to see original material that is good and this book really scores high in that respect.

I've never seen tells categorized by 'waiting for action', 'during action' and 'post action'. It is brilliant! Although author is not a celebrity poker player, it is very clear that he is an experienced player and knows the subject matter well.

This is a must read for live players period.

If you are waiting for the e-book, screw it - just go and buy the paperback, its well worth the price to buy it again on e-book later. One of best values out there.
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06-02-2012 , 09:10 AM
Waiting on a copy and will try to do a review worthy of such a book. Meaning I will try to do a quality review, but this will be my first actual book review.
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06-02-2012 , 01:10 PM
I'm above average reading tells but this book reminds me or teaches me something new seemingly every few pages. I'm only reading a little at a time so things sink in , before I started reading I doubted it would be better than Navarro, but only 1/4 in I'm thinking it will be
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06-02-2012 , 04:23 PM
Checking daily to purchase in e-book format. I haven't been this pumped about a poker book in years.

[edit] Is it shipping from ProfessionalPoker yet?

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06-04-2012 , 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by jnfpoker
Checking daily to purchase in e-book format. I haven't been this pumped about a poker book in years.
Me too, looks like he may be changing his ebook plans? He has removed his post on the subject at his web site.

Sounds like a really lame situation for small publishers of e-books at Amazon. Can authors self publish in Adobe Digital Editions? Is this what 2+2 does?
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06-04-2012 , 10:10 PM
The ebook files should be available within a week on my website (I know I've said that before.)

To clear things up, if anyone's interested, Amazon only takes 65% of the sale of a book if it's over $10. If it's under $10, they take only 30%. This is their way of forcing the ebook costs low to increase the amount of people buying Kindles.

I did discover that apparently the going reseller rate for ebooks is 50%; so if someone wanted to sell my ebook from their website, they'd get 50%. That just seems pretty ridiculous to me, considering it's a digital file, and considering that is also a common reseller rate for physical books, which require much more work from the reseller. When looked at in this light, the 65% Amazon charges seems not as unreasonable as I at first thought, considering all the marketing they do behind the scenes and how much they can increase your sales.

The weird thing for me, though, is that my book's price is $20, and I was hoping to have the ebook at a comparable price. But this means I would get the same amount whether I sell it for $10 or for $20. Logically, then, I should set it to $10, in order to boost sales by as much as possible. But this would mean anywhere else I tried to sell it at a more normal price (like on my own website) would be at a huge disadvantage.

So it's a weird situation.

But this doesn't have anything to do with why it's taking me so long to get an ebook out. That's just mainly due to me being a little late to figuring out the best plan of action and because the guy I hired to convert the files is still working on them.

If anyone has any questions about the book itself, let me know. Or maybe this should become a "poker book selling strategies" thread now.

Zach
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06-04-2012 , 11:17 PM
went against my nature, and bought this. curious and hopeful these reviews are accurate. might get around to writing some thoughts as well.
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06-04-2012 , 11:34 PM
Thanks for the update Zach. I'm looking forward to your book.
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06-04-2012 , 11:34 PM
How does this book compare to Joe Navarro's book? That's the only book on tells that I own - will I get enough new information from this book to justify $20? I'm sure it's wonderful but what incentive is there for a person who owns a book of tells already to get this new one?
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06-05-2012 , 12:04 AM
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Originally Posted by GomJabbar
How does this book compare to Joe Navarro's book? That's the only book on tells that I own - will I get enough new information from this book to justify $20? I'm sure it's wonderful but what incentive is there for a person who owns a book of tells already to get this new one?
this book is much better at adapting tells to actual sequences and spots in poker itself as compared to a general book on lying and deception. it is much easier to spot a tell when you have a better idea of what context it applies to.
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06-05-2012 , 12:39 AM
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Originally Posted by GomJabbar
How does this book compare to Joe Navarro's book? That's the only book on tells that I own - will I get enough new information from this book to justify $20? I'm sure it's wonderful but what incentive is there for a person who owns a book of tells already to get this new one?
Read my post a page back. I still haven't had time to read more but I promise it's worth the $20
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06-06-2012 , 12:35 PM
I just wanted to let people know that Mr. Elwood saw my post and really graciously offered to let me look through a free PDF copy before I decided to purchase. I'm really impressed and the book so far is exceedingly good. I'm very much leaning toward a purchase.
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06-07-2012 , 01:20 AM
Got mine today, and really really looking forward to reading and digesting all the information. So far it just looks packed with good stuff. I'll post a review hopefully by early next week (working all weekend, but there'll be a chance to go test out the information on Saturday night).
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06-08-2012 , 01:29 PM
I received mine, but waiting for an international flight tomorrow to read it. The few pages I've read of the introduction look great though! ;-)

Mainly I wanted to comment on the outstanding service by both professional boker & zach. They really bent over backwards to take care of me.
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06-08-2012 , 06:26 PM
My supply came in and all orders went out today. Domestic customers, expect delivery in 2-5 business days. International in 7-14.

Hope to have the eBook shortly.

http://professionalpoker.com/IP.php?...&productID=507
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06-10-2012 , 03:11 AM
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Originally Posted by apokerplayer
The ebook files should be available within a week on my website (I know I've said that before.)

To clear things up, if anyone's interested, Amazon only takes 65% of the sale of a book if it's over $10. If it's under $10, they take only 30%. This is their way of forcing the ebook costs low to increase the amount of people buying Kindles.

I did discover that apparently the going reseller rate for ebooks is 50%; so if someone wanted to sell my ebook from their website, they'd get 50%. That just seems pretty ridiculous to me, considering it's a digital file, and considering that is also a common reseller rate for physical books, which require much more work from the reseller. When looked at in this light, the 65% Amazon charges seems not as unreasonable as I at first thought, considering all the marketing they do behind the scenes and how much they can increase your sales.

The weird thing for me, though, is that my book's price is $20, and I was hoping to have the ebook at a comparable price. But this means I would get the same amount whether I sell it for $10 or for $20. Logically, then, I should set it to $10, in order to boost sales by as much as possible. But this would mean anywhere else I tried to sell it at a more normal price (like on my own website) would be at a huge disadvantage.

So it's a weird situation.

But this doesn't have anything to do with why it's taking me so long to get an ebook out. That's just mainly due to me being a little late to figuring out the best plan of action and because the guy I hired to convert the files is still working on them.

If anyone has any questions about the book itself, let me know. Or maybe this should become a "poker book selling strategies" thread now.

Zach
Hi Zach:

There's no reason why you can't tell a website seller their discount is less than 50 percent. It is a free market. On the other hand, when you deliver ebook files, their unit production cost should be much less than what a printed book would be. This is especially true with Amazon if they do the Kindle conversion.

Best wishes,
Mason
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06-10-2012 , 03:34 AM
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When you do an actual new edition, you should see if you can use this as a quote on your back cover. I suggest the back cover because I'm the type who doesn't like quotes on the front cover..
It's our opinion at 2+2 that cover quotes are essentially worthless. Positive discussion on these forums will do far more to sell books than quotes on a cover. My recommendation to this author would be to remove the quotes he has and then expand the description of the book or add other relevant information.

Best wishes,
Mason
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06-10-2012 , 08:02 AM
I ordered the ebook direct from the website (I picked .pdf format, but mobi and one other were available as options) yesterday. This is a page turner. While I was waiting for the ebook to come available I perused the blog entries on his website and found them to be very good. The book reuses many of the ideas he has posted about, but what you're paying for is the same thing that folks recognize is the power of the book: the big picture organization of tells based on the aforementioned "phase" of the hand.

If you are on the fence, I'd recommend reading some blog entries and seeing if you like or don't like the author's style. But last I looked there were 17 Amazon reviews, for which 17 were 5-star rated. And the comments above mine in this thread speak for themselves.

(I have to mention that I found myself having affinity for the author when he spelled out, as an introduction in the Appendix, why he transitioned away from being a professional player after nine years. His is a very down-to-earth, reality-based attitude which I find lacking, in the general sense, in the poker world. In the last 48 hours I've become a Zachary Elwood fanboy.)
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06-10-2012 , 10:31 AM
Just wanted to jump in to clear up one mistake in the last post; I only played professionally for three years. So there's no misunderstandings later.

Thanks for the kind words. And thanks for advice from Mason and others. I am a complete noob to this whole book selling process so if I do anything stupid or unrealistic in that regard I definitely appreciate you telling me.
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06-11-2012 , 10:10 AM
Just a quick thank you to Zach Elwood. I enquired about the kindle version of his book Reading Poker Tells and he emailed me a free e-book version with NO strings attached. I thank Mr Elwood for the gesture and will purchase the Kindle version as soon as it is available. Many thanks again!
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06-11-2012 , 11:03 AM
Have only got a 1/4 of the way through but am completley loving this book.
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06-11-2012 , 05:14 PM
I'm happy to commit to purchasing the ebook kindle version as well if it is possible to get an e-book pdf ahead of time...if not - I will still be looking to buy as soon as the kindle version becomes available. Have home tourney this weekend and would to start looking though it asap....sounds like a great book.

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06-11-2012 , 10:18 PM
Ok, here's the quick review I promised earlier.

First off, full disclosure: I emailed Zach Elwood about the expected time for an epub version of the book, as I have an iRiver Story HD which I use for most of my reading now, and instead of a date or a brush-off he sent me an advance copy of the epub version of his book. Since then I have read the book, and as the book is now available in e-book form on his website I purchased the epub version (the website has since changed, the price has increased slightly and you get all three formats - Kindle (mobi), epub and pdf).

Background - I was introduced to NLH in home games a couple of years ago, was excited about the game and started devouring all I could about how to get better. I started playing online, no great success, but had a good run during the FTP rush poker time until I started concentrating more on volume and points than playing the game. 1000 hands per hour what a buzz... at this rate I'll be an awesome player really soon yeah, right.

Anyway, I dabbled with live play in casinos (Australia, so there's really only one casino to pick from in whichever capital city you live in - not all of them cater for NLH, some only have games a few nights a week). Stakes much higher than the old home games or online, rake is ridiculous. I managed to have some big wins, some big losses. Many of the things that work online don't work live as well, or maybe there was something I was doing that meant I was easy prey for those guys that knew all the dealers' and pit bosses names and basically lived at the casino.

So, this went on for a while, my trips to the casino started happening less and less frequently. I banked my live roll and went back to online. I still read books, even about online, as much as I could... and then I got Reading Poker Tells.

I read through the book in about 3 days over a couple of sittings. While a lot of the material struck me as 'yeah, that's pretty common sense when you think about it, isn't it?', the thing that really struck me was that although I've read a few books about poker and bodylanguage and tells, the structure of how to think about what you're seeing and how to interpret the signals you're picking up was there for the first time.

Zach has obviously spent a lot of time working out how to interpret tells at the poker table - this clearly shows in the examples in the text. He managed to convince me on my first reading (of what will be many, I am sure - I'm going to have to read and re-read this book until I internalize the through processes and structure of how to analyse tells) that tells play a vital role in live poker, and the reason I never managed to win very much at live poker was probably that the more experience live players were reading me like a book.

Anyway, after that first read-through it was time to go see what playing with this new knowledge was like. I played on Saturday night, only a short session, but I found myself a lot more involved in the game than usual. I was carefully observing people as they checked their cards, as they watched other people or considered betting. I saw some tells, but didn't see if I was right as the hands didn't go to showdown. I caught myself on a number of occasions doing or about to do some of the things that Zach uses as examples in his book.

This book is essential reading to anyone considering playing live - the section of what people might do to angle-shoot you with subtle fake tells and not-so-subtle talk is brilliant. I know in the past I've fallen for some cheap moves, but now that shouldn't happen. Even if you think you know all about tells, or don't consider them worthwhile compared to a solid basic strategy, do yourself a favour and read this book - you'll be surprised by how much information you can pick up on others and how much you're sending out there to be read by skilled players if you're not aware. Tells don't even have to be 100% reliable - so many situations are almost 50/50 and, when you're considering committing a large part of your stack, even a tell which gives you an edge just 30% of the time will end up giving you a massive advantage in the long run.

No, this book won't turn you into a wizard who can stare at opponents and read their souls and decipher their exact holding, but it very well may turn you into a player that seems to know when to value bet top pair weak kicker or when to call or fold that baby flush.

So, that's it. I have to go read the book again, this time slowly and taking notes. Then I'll go play again and take post session notes, re-read sections that might apply, then maybe do it all over again. I think this is one book worth studying.

Finn.
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