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Mistakes in Owen Gaines: Poker math that matters, how is it overlooked? Mistakes in Owen Gaines: Poker math that matters, how is it overlooked?

08-06-2013 , 11:04 PM
So I bought this ebook (so far just a bit of review for me, nothing new) and although the book does do a good job at explaining I spotted 2 mistakes so far and am only on page 39. The mistakes I have spotted are the following:

Hero: 6 7
Villain: A K
Board: K 5 6
Now you have the chance for the turn and river to come an 8 and 9, a 4 and 8, or a 3 and 4. Any of those three combinations of turn and river cards would give you a straight. This is a chance for improvement you didn’t have before. Now your hand would have a 23% chance to win, and your opponent would have the remaining 77%. This is about a 5% improvement from the previous board.
Some backdoor straight draws are stronger than others. For example, if the board were K 4 6, you would still have a backdoor straight draw. However, your percentage would go down to 21%. This is because we lost a straight chance. When the board contained a 5, you had three chances for the straight. Now with the board having a 4 instead of a 5, you only have two chances for the straight. The turn and river need to come down either a 5 and 8 or a 3 and 8.

Hero: 6 7
Villain: A K
Board: K 5 6
Now you have both the backdoor flush draw and the backdoor straight draw. Now your percentage would change to 26%. This is about an 8% increase from when you have no backdoor draws. This is a significant increase and can really impact how you play a hand. Now, in terms of counting outs, if you’re going to see both the turn and river, you can add an extra out for a backdoor draw. So again, looking at your board here, you have the five outs for the 4s and 5s in the deck, but you also have the backdoor flush draw and backdoor straight draw.

I have highlighted the mistakes which I spotted.

I'm not here to bash but I was just wondering how mistakes like this are overlooked, I mean I get confused only to find out the author made a mistake. You would think that out of all people a professional poker player would spot the mistakes in his own book, like don't these books get reviewed multiple times or are they just in a hurry to get it published?

I look forward to your opinions, and will keep an open eye for more mistakes as I read on, thanks.
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08-07-2013 , 12:51 AM
I'm interested in where you purchased your ebook. No version of the ebook I have (either on Amazon or my site) has those readings. Those mistakes were fixed on every sales location on Jan 9th, 2012.

The pirated versions, however, still have those errors...

Not accusing you, but if you paid for the book after January, 2012, it seems likely a person who didn't write the book made money .

There were some mistakes in the first version--virtually inevitable with this type of material. I made efforts to correct everything reported. If you're reading the pirated book, you'll encounter the other mistakes.

Let me know where you purchased the book, and we'll see what's going on.
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08-07-2013 , 02:01 AM
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Originally Posted by QTip
I'm interested in where you purchased your ebook. No version of the ebook I have (either on Amazon or my site) has those readings. Those mistakes were fixed on every sales location on Jan 9th, 2012.

The pirated versions, however, still have those errors...

Not accusing you, but if you paid for the book after January, 2012, it seems likely a person who didn't write the book made money .

There were some mistakes in the first version--virtually inevitable with this type of material. I made efforts to correct everything reported. If you're reading the pirated book, you'll encounter the other mistakes.

Let me know where you purchased the book, and we'll see what's going on.
I guess its pirated then since I made an exchange for it. I'll go buy the updated version, thanks
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08-14-2013 , 01:24 AM
I have a paper copy of the book...and the start is exactly what is in the book but after that it's much different ..my copy is second edition.****st be a pirated copy..

Owen real quick Friday is coming up and im buying hole card confessions..which would you recommend learning first hole card or math that matters?
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08-14-2013 , 03:05 AM
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Originally Posted by imakeutilt
I have a paper copy of the book...and the start is exactly what is in the book but after that it's much different ..my copy is second edition.****st be a pirated copy..

Owen real quick Friday is coming up and im buying hole card confessions..which would you recommend learning first hole card or math that matters?
I'd go with the math one first.
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08-14-2013 , 04:16 AM
Hi Mr G.

Just a quick one... all poker books have mistakes that creap in... I only recently got sent PMTM by your good self.

I think the book says it was printed in 2010 (if that helps) - do you know of any mistakes that are in this edition? So I can correct them? As I am going thorugh the book carefully - so when I start on the new hard back book on the river I have all my basic maths and equations understood.

I am 70 pages in - I have read it on eBook before - I have to say (for me) reading it in real book form is so much better. It is a very good book - very well written. I just wish I didn't have to spend so much time on things to get them learned... best bit is after I have done that you usually then show us a short cut... grr.

Thanks again and if there are any mistakes (typos) you know of in this edition it would help. Not worried about some of the quiz answers being on the next page to the one it says they are on... more if the answers are 1 out or anything like that.

And to anyone thinking of bying this I recomend it, and the book over the electronic version any day
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08-14-2013 , 08:18 AM
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Originally Posted by QTip
I'd go with the math one first.
Thanks...I havve second edition..is there a third edition? And for sng and mtters which sections do you feel have the mist value?
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08-14-2013 , 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by imakeutilt
Thanks...I havve second edition..is there a third edition? And for sng and mtters which sections do you feel have the mist value?
No, there's only the second edition.

Honestly, I've no idea for sngs and mtts.
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08-14-2013 , 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Popetman
Hi Mr G.

Just a quick one... all poker books have mistakes that creap in... I only recently got sent PMTM by your good self.

I think the book says it was printed in 2010 (if that helps) - do you know of any mistakes that are in this edition? So I can correct them? As I am going thorugh the book carefully - so when I start on the new hard back book on the river I have all my basic maths and equations understood.

I am 70 pages in - I have read it on eBook before - I have to say (for me) reading it in real book form is so much better. It is a very good book - very well written. I just wish I didn't have to spend so much time on things to get them learned... best bit is after I have done that you usually then show us a short cut... grr.

Thanks again and if there are any mistakes (typos) you know of in this edition it would help. Not worried about some of the quiz answers being on the next page to the one it says they are on... more if the answers are 1 out or anything like that.

And to anyone thinking of bying this I recomend it, and the book over the electronic version any day
Any books someone receives now should have all mistakes I know of corrected. I'm happy to be able to say there were only a couple mistakes in the original version that impacted mathematical concepts. So, most of them were minor things such as typos.

Yes, I normally give shortcuts last. Normally shortcuts aren't as accurate, but they're great for at-the-table estimates. So, I like to give an accurate method first.

I'm with you, I prefer a physical copy for this type of material.
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08-14-2013 , 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by QTip
Any books someone receives now should have all mistakes I know of corrected. I'm happy to be able to say there were only a couple mistakes in the original version that impacted mathematical concepts. So, most of them were minor things such as typos.

Yes, I normally give shortcuts last. Normally shortcuts aren't as accurate, but they're great for at-the-table estimates. So, I like to give an accurate method first.

I'm with you, I prefer a physical copy for this type of material.
Some books like this one I prefer to hold in my hands..some books I don't mind eformat
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07-26-2017 , 09:50 PM
Hello
I think I spotted a mistake but I could be wrong

Page 33, Chapter: Expectation Value - QUIZ question 3.

The answer to this quiz question is on page 160 and it says that the EV of this wager = (-$0.153) but I think is -$15.3

Its because probability of picking out a K is 7.7%, not 0.077% and probability of missing a K is 92.3%, not 0.92%

am I right or wrong?
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07-27-2017 , 07:11 AM
ps: ignore this please, there is no error there
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11-19-2018 , 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by QTip
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I'm curious about Implied Odds. When you work out your implied odds facing a Flop bet and miss the Turn. Then facing another bet on the Turn, do you add to the required payout the bit you needed on the Flop as well?

Example, getting 2:1 on the flop and chasing Flush needing 4.5:1, so need to extract missing 2.5 to break even on the Turn. We miss the Turn and facing the same bet. Do we need again only 2.5, or do we add the previous 2.5 and we need 5 to break even.
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01-02-2019 , 02:28 AM
In grad school I took an algorithms 503 class (Computer Science). The prof said the book was good, but it had a lot of errors in it. For our homework, not only did we have to solve the problems in the book, but we had to solve the errors in the book as well. Jeezus, it was hard enough figuring out what the book was trying to explain to begin with, then I had to find and fix the errors as well?

Anyway, point being, it happens to the best of 'em. Books get changed/edited many times during the writing process, and that's mostly how errors creep in. One thing in the hand detail changes, but you don't catch all the other details that must change along with it.
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01-07-2019 , 10:46 AM
Not sure how clear your post was

I believe you are not talking about this book but a computer science book, as an example that errors find there way into most books
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