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Originally Posted by Donkey111
That is an uncommun line but here is my 2c:
- villain 3-bet and we call: we get in a pot with a medium SPR holding a hand, JJ, that is notoriosly difficult to play in big pots. Are we ahead or behind? Unless we flop a third J, we will have a tough decision postflop. After 3 streets of betting, we may end up all-in with the worst of it.
I'd be happy to have someoe explain to me why my thinking is bad.
If we assume he's 3betting with AA/KK/QQ/JJ/TT/AK/AQ,and a reasonable % of light 3bets, and we call his 3 bet in position, the pot will be about 23 bb's on the flop, and he'll likely be cbetting most boards for 14-20 bb's. I feel like AA/KK/QQ isn't the majority of his range, so if we call the 3bet and flop an overpair, a set, or perhaps when the only overcard that come is a "Q," we can raise his cbet (pot committing ourselves) in which case he'll usually fold the hands we beat (which I feel should be WAY over 50% of his hands on our 'favourable' boards). He'll probably shove over our raise with AA/KK/QQ/JJ/TT and even sometimes 99 or 88, and he'll shove draws, and maybe sometimes just his bare overs, especially if he's "taking a stand."
We can also call/reevaluate based on the turn card and his turn action, folding or shoving on the turn.
We can happily fold on flops that have A, K, or AK, AQ, KQ combinations since we'll be crushed on those boards most of the time. We'll get bluffed by his 67s fairly often, but it seems like a profitable post flop situation nonetheless.
I feel like with position here, we can make good decisions post-flop with our jacks, and the 4bet folding is better left for our bluffs and sometimes AQ/AJ type hands. I don't see why 4bet/calling is so bad. In an aggresive 6 max game, I see players getting 100bb's in all the time with AK, TT and sometimes even AQ or 99, and if he thinks we're full of it, he can 5-bet shove many other hands, thinking he has fold equity (that I think we shouldn't be giving him).
So in this spot, I would've ranked the choices as...
call the 3bet or 4bet/call (eitehr one seems good to me)
4bet/fold
fold