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Originally Posted by Forrest Gump
Hi, do you recomend this book to someone who wants to learn LHE almost from 0? (if not what?) Since I study mathematics and already did a course in GT I think Im gonna get what's in this book.
I've been mostly a NLHE player so i may have some biases about hand ranges, implied odds and other situations that cant get most of LHE advice without a decent proof
I'm obviously biased but think it could be helpful, I think having a GT underpinning can make it much easier to learn other games. FLH does go into a lot of detail on a few spots that are most relevant to HUHU play though, so my first book might be a better introduction.
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Originally Posted by Bob148
I was reminded of something from Further Limit Holdem while posting the other day. It sounded something like: "If you check and fold a hand that you value bet on the previous street, then that means your value bet on the previous street was in effect a bluff."
I agree with the general statement, but couldn't it be that sometimes the value bet wasn't a bluff, but a bet that had positive expectation which happened to catch a bad card on the next street?
Yeah I can't remember the quote exactly, but what you're saying makes sense and I obviously think it depends a lot on board texture. This would be fine to do on very dynamic boards, but on a static board there will be a very low probability of cards changing the equity shares between the players that much.
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Originally Posted by not a bot
First off, thanks for doing this Phil. This will be my first 2p2 post, as I haven't had much desire to make an account before now. I've gotten a lot out of your book, but am left with some questions.
On page 120 there is a chart with Rockhopper's hu 3 bet range. For fun and science I've used this some lately. A hand came up where I 3 bet Jh8h (hu),flop came Qs9h2s, I bet and villain called. Turn 5d. What happened in the hand is not important; but it got me thinking, what should we be trying to do here in structuring our turn bet bluff range? We have many potential bluffs/semibluffs that we could continue with here, depending on how many value bets we have.
1) Do we want to structure our bluffs in direct proportion to our value bet range, adjusting the number upward for the chance of hitting these draws (whether gutshot or open ended or whatever)? In this case it seems that would be a bit more than 1 bluff for every 5 value bets. Or are we able to actually bluff more than this given that we are not yet at the final round of betting?
2) If we have so many potential bluffs here that we have to pick and choose, do we need to start checking some hands like JTo that seem like an "obvious" hand to bet again on the turn? King high flush draws and most ace high fd's are already hands I'd be inclined to check rather than bet, but as we can check call hands like JT and Js3s and not so much with J8s w/o spades, might we want to change what is the norm for JT and maybe some other middling flush draws by putting them in our turn check range? The fact that we can safely fold our J8s and lower gutshots on the turn when raised, same for complete air hands like T6s w/o spades makes it seem like there may be some merit to rethinking what is optimal for our turn ranges in this and similar spots. It's not fun being raised in this spot with a draw when you have to call.
It's really hard to say what the right bluffing ratio would be here: your draws might well be quite strong, all else equal allowing you to bluff a bit more, but you are also out of position. Instead of focusing too much on the right GTO ratio I'd try and think more about possible exploitations of your opponent.
I'd say one of the biggest problems people get into here is not balancing their checking range enough. Most people are just too easily read after 3-betting pre, betting flop, and checking turn. The bots do tend to be extremely balanced here with almost all kinds of hands making it into the turn check range with some probability.
Constructing a very balanced turn c/r range, with some strong value, some good semi-bluffs, and also some weak draws, will help you in so many ways as it prevents your opponent from betting the turn too much and putting you in these awkward spots with weak draws. If a hand has just enough drawing potential to get to the river then try to avoid putting in too many bets with it!