Hey,
I dont understand the marked sentence.

The website for volume 1 has a list of all known errata (i.e. mistakes). I plan to make a similar list for vol 2.

thx

For the short stack solutions, I am struggling to work out how our ranges will adjust versus different jam over limp frequencies and hand selections. Do we adjust versus a villain that is jamming the top 50-60% of hands instead which still doesn't allow us to call with any of our limp folds at 7BB stacks?

you're welcome!

I think 40ish percent is about the "right" amount to be shoving over a wide limper at 7bb, and 50-60 percent is kind of high. We'd have to have a pretty big edge when we see a flop to justify limping hands that we'll have to fold to a shove. So, we need to take each of our limp-folding hands and decide whether it should now be a limp-call, an open-fold, or an open-shove. That'll depend on how Villain plays vs open shoves and how big our edge is postflop. I think spending a bit of time playing with some EV calcs is the best way to get a feel for these things.

So when villain diverts from equilibrium shoving at 7bb stacks shouldn't I gain ev even if im not playing an optimal startegy versus him? Thats why im so confused, if villain is playing perfectly post and pre except for his shoving over limp range which is high I am assuming I should open fold more of my limp folds and possibly all as an optimal strategy right? But I'm i making a -ev play if I don't?

Have you by chance happened to have already calculated any preflop pseudo equilibria for stack sizes other than the ones in the book? In particular, I'm really interested in 25BB.

Hi guys,

At page 34 there is an equation which shows what the optimal defending percentage is against a 3-bet.

The example that is given is: naive defending% is b/(b+p) and optimal defending% is b/(b+p+equity*potonflop).

The writer used opening size 2bb, 3-bet 5bb and expected equity captured on flop by 3-bettor 0.15*potonflop. Now, when I put in the numbers: 4/(4+3+0.15*10)=47%, but the writer give 45.5 as an optimal folding percentage.

Could anybody tell me what I'm doing wrong?

Thanks!

+1

I'm interested in this as well or any other ranges in between those published <= 25bb. Also could you possibly offer a more detailed explanation of how these pseudo equilibrium ranges are calculated? would love to be able to compute them myself!

Great books Will Tipton! keep up the good work.

When you get around to writing vol. 3,are you planning on inviting Valeriu Coca to contribute with a chapter or two?

I read about these books 1 and 2 on these threads and it looked weirdo, so i didnt buy them, until now. Five minutes and i knew i made a mistake, then read them two hours and got nothing, just useless nonpractical detail and random bits of text there.

I could easily print a complete preflop and river strategy with snowie and janda in two pages.

Then flop and turn book, much again some preflop stuff as so so, mixed with random bits of flop and i suppose turn also, again no practical use nor even semi complete as strategy.

There are real sources for flop and turn play, and river play, especially janda, little. I added snowie and figured it all technically and exoloitively out, printed my own preflop, flop and turn strategies in detail, the preflop though many pages but i could make a basically complete summary, including 1 on 1, while the mains of flop and turn in position with the lead on the flop took one page. This to give the idea what is useful.

And as heads up 1 on 1 poker book, this isnt it either, if u dont count the random second rate info as so. If there is some use in these books, the time has passed them, but i didnt see anything useful and i have 6 months of study and play nlh and moved to nlh50.

So, this is easily a pass, the book 1 and 2. If u have nothing else to do, then maybe, but i suspect they will even help ur thinking like does little cash books with janda background.

The problem with these books is that there isnt a complete view into strategy, just some random thoughts like 2 plus 2 style, though is d and b book. Little is the latter and janda the former, so it is not always like this, and i have the db plo book and it is good, though not high level but good and gave me some more to hwang, including the plo gto effort.

Similar books in their own way like these two books are the 2 plus two plo book and the other basically limit holdem chatter book that had not as much polaris bot hands as the intelligent poker player has that is an okay book because of it, for lhe players, but his other book, further limit holdem, is similarly useless though it had a couple pages of polaris hands but the other book covers that better. If u like books like ace on the river, maybe u can have a cup of coffee with these kind of books also, but if u want to get something useful, this book is not for you.

Sounds to me like you simply wanted more strategy charts. I highly doubt you understand the game theoretic aspects of poker, as this series was a groundbreaking work from that perspective. And without such an understanding, it makes sense that one wouldn't be able to appreciate the incredible value of this series.

FYI, Jonathan Little, of whom you seem to have a high opinion, has bben so impressed by Will Tipton´s books, that he invited him to contribute a chapter in his latest book which will be published in a few days. Not only that, but Olivier Busquet, one of the top HU players in the world, was seen with this book with him at a final table last year.

Mikro, if you're too lazy to take puzzle pieces and try to create your own image, don't blame the author.
When you actually understand those "random thoughts", you're able to apply them to any game, improving your strategy immensely.

Clearly not a book for you.

These books are tourney 1 on 1 books, like 25bb deep. I might find value from the flop strategy though 25bb deep, limped and miniraised, though i will have to turn those tables in human language and try to see what i can use to improve my 1 on 1 game and if anything of it would give something to my ring game also. I already have my ranges and will see if i can improve them further. Though only flop stuff in this book, 25bb to relative 50bb deep perhaps considering the limps.

These books might not have any value for me beyond that. Gives me eye strain and feels like looking through thick glasses. More like a book written to bots by a bot. The only pages written by a human that i have seen so far were the 1st 4 pages on the flop chapter, having the strategy torso, though can be loosely written on the cigarette paper.

I am unlikely to read the turn stuffs that are about 3rd in this book as it is strange and there might not be enough strategy. The chapters are in reverse order.

I can now give a more detailed comment on the flop strategy in this book.

For 'cash' 1 on 1, one can get a flop strategy where the bb calls like ax, kx betters, or qx betters if an undercard, still 2nd highest high card, details depending on flop. As i thought, one should imo cut on more cb 1 on 1 compared to ring, and the given card is qx undercard, familiar in lhe also, and i suppose one can use better jx also, and on any flops. These floats correlate to the natural understanding of the highest card plus additional floats, in this case also high cards. One could exploit a cb happy opponent with additional hands, but this is gto stuff.

The rest of the sb play imo can be similar or same as in ring games, and whatever way one plays the weaker half of the range isnt a major issue as long as it is split, balanced. His hands are his opinion and my sb differs there from most parts as there are many technical factors that say if one should cb or not. These tables instead make a bot type of decreasing line based on kicker. The theoretical view mainly in this book also favor the cb ip with backdoors, while my major view is the opposite, but there is a split of range no matter what one otherwise picks.

The bb should vary some 3b preflop, having stronger hands on the flop. Didnt see it was included, in case it is too black and white. The preflop ranges are not absolutely perfect either.

On the flop the bb would be more natural to use some real possibly no sd value weaker real draws to cr with on suited flops, and use whatever best there is in rainbow flops. The range split is again an important and included issue here, additionally to the more obvious bluff range.

The turn and river strategy should follow and would give a better understanding into the flop strategy also, additionally to knowing how to continue on the turn and river. Those will also be balanced, one needing to count a reasonable combo balance of value vs bluffs, and if this or these books do not give u the knowledge to do so, the application book will, eg. its hand samples.

How the sb should react to cr on the flop, 25bb deep, is on the tables also, that might be difficult to understand but a split hand should mean it has a backdoor. Looks like any pair and any inside dr w backdoor or overcard calls the cr, and ak, possibly aq like overcards, all on suited flops not too rich, while on rainbow flops there are less draws and one calls in this book with more aces, at, with a backdoor instead. These seem all reasonably natural, depending on opponent. On very rich flops the mp and bp folds if no bigger or connected kicker, in this book, and seems right also.

There seems to be donk or and lead tables and how the sb should react to them. These flop stuffs are miniraised 25bb deep. There are also tables for more or less limped pots and they might be much similar and miss hands where they are raised preflop. Not sure if there is a 3b pot where the bb cbets, but there is a bb lead bet.

When is your book coming out, Mikro?

Just about to start on V2, I found an errata doc on the D&B website for V1. Is there an errata file for V2 anywhere?

I asked about this a while ago in the V2 thread, and iirc yaqh said that all the errata he knew of was in that thread. So unfortunately I think you have to read through it, as I did.

the figure 15,7 pseudo equilibirum preflop ranges at 20 BB deep. is this made with python and is the code availbe?
regards

Hey, i ordered both books now and am eagerly waiting. I am actually playing 6 max , but im hoping to gain HU 100bb + knowledge to help my game. I dont know so i have to pray there isnt a huge part devoted to shortstack strategies.

To Mikro:


Tiptons book are way way way better than Janda's in explaining how GTO play works and how to work your own game.

Yeah Janda provides cool preflop strats and all cool value:bluff ratios for constructing ranges (which are pretty useless in many spots), but he just misses so many things. And a lot of he says is just plain wrong (still respect Janda and liked his videos at CR, but he seems to have fallen a bit behind the curve TBH).




Just because the book is aimed at 20-40bb game, doesn't mean ****. Everything in the book can be be applied to 100bb poker. You gotta see the big picture instead of looking at specific ranges.

Don't feed the troll. These books are gold. Crush your soul and require active engagement but pure gold.

Is it me... or does post #194 make no sense?