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Old 05-01-2014, 12:18 AM   #26
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Re: Expert Heads Up No Limit Hold’em v.2: Strategies for Multiple Streets by Will Tipton

I thought I read in the other thread that a video pack showing how to write a tool in Ipython to compute equilibrium strategies for decision trees and starting distributions will be coming out. Or is this information in the video pack that already exists?
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Old 05-01-2014, 02:53 AM   #27
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Re: Expert Heads Up No Limit Hold’em v.2: Strategies for Multiple Streets by Will Tipton

p.141 - trying to reconcile your discussion regarding the K832r board about the draws in arrow 4 that prefer betting to checking, the weak hands in arrow 5 that are indifferent, and then the airball give ups. where does the 64o hand discussed on p.122 fit in?

Also is there any software that actually spits out a ranking of holdings with their equity vs a range on certain boards (similar to what you can achieve by sliding along the EDVis graph)? Alternatively having this function in EDVis (ie paste enumerated list to notepad) would be sweet.
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Old 05-01-2014, 07:14 AM   #28
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Re: Expert Heads Up No Limit Hold’em v.2: Strategies for Multiple Streets by Will Tipton

Is paperback coming out somewere in the end of May?
And any1 know something about video pack?
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Old 05-02-2014, 06:43 AM   #29
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Re: Expert Heads Up No Limit Hold’em v.2: Strategies for Multiple Streets by Will Tipton

Hi - Dan here from D&B. The paperback started shipping out from our US distributors to retailers about 10 days ago. Some retailers will of course receive their copies before others and if they have large distribution centers themselves it may take a while before they can start to ship out customer orders.

Hopefully Professional Poker will receive copies very soon, if they haven't already.

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Old 05-02-2014, 06:47 AM   #30
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Is paperback coming out somewere in the end of May?
And any1 know something about video pack?
As for the video pack - i'll have some information on it in the next couple of days.
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Old 05-02-2014, 11:16 AM   #31
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Re: Expert Heads Up No Limit Hold’em v.2: Strategies for Multiple Streets by Will Tipton

Thanks Dan.

yukoncpa: that information is not in the video pack that already exists

risk2dupside:
-p141/122, re-skimmed that part of the book to see if I could answer: I think he clearly says it's one of the indifferent hands, and states (in surprising detail) why it's one of the last hands to be added to the betting range.
-software: not that I know of, but between edvis and odds oracle, it's easy to find (or graph) a certain hand's equity versus a range on any street.
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Old 05-02-2014, 02:34 PM   #32
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Tnx a lot for information man
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Old 05-03-2014, 04:27 PM   #33
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Re: Expert Heads Up No Limit Hold’em v.2: Strategies for Multiple Streets by Will Tipton

Another question to discuss, for anyone who is up for it.
More important than whether the charts on p253 are right or not.

If:
1. Chapter 15's model allows for SB to have an open jamming range. (Page 342)
2. Shove/fold wins more money than the model...by 2.6bb/100 (Page 337)
3. Why wouldn't the model simply force shove/fold by itself the same way we assume the "model SB" would jam in postflop spots that are better for it (as explained in the previous chapter, on the 765xxy flop)?


Page 335, Verbatim:
"Any time a player can bet or raise, his sizing options are all-in or 1/2-pot unless there is less than one pot-sized bet left behind, in which case all-in is the only option."

Assuming "any time" also refers to preflop, I'm having a hard time understanding why the computed pseudo-equilibrium 7bb strategy wouldn't automatically "chose" to play push/fold from the SB.

Thanks,
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Old 05-04-2014, 09:35 AM   #34
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Re: Expert Heads Up No Limit Hold’em v.2: Strategies for Multiple Streets by Will Tipton

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Another question to discuss, for anyone who is up for it.
More important than whether the charts on p253 are right or not.

If:
1. Chapter 15's model allows for SB to have an open jamming range. (Page 342)
2. Shove/fold wins more money than the model...by 2.6bb/100 (Page 337)
3. Why wouldn't the model simply force shove/fold by itself the same way we assume the "model SB" would jam in postflop spots that are better for it (as explained in the previous chapter, on the 765xxy flop)?


Page 335, Verbatim:
"Any time a player can bet or raise, his sizing options are all-in or 1/2-pot unless there is less than one pot-sized bet left behind, in which case all-in is the only option."

Assuming "any time" also refers to preflop, I'm having a hard time understanding why the computed pseudo-equilibrium 7bb strategy wouldn't automatically "chose" to play push/fold from the SB.

Thanks,
You might want to check the book again: it says that in the model the SB wins 2.5bb at 7bb and the shove/fold game only wins 1.7bb.
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Old 05-04-2014, 06:39 PM   #35
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Re: Expert Heads Up No Limit Hold’em v.2: Strategies for Multiple Streets by Will Tipton

I see. My mistake. Thank you.

And from Volume 1, the MR/shove game approximates the shove/fold up to just under 7bb, so its value might be very slightly higher.
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Old 05-07-2014, 06:05 AM   #36
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Re: Expert Heads Up No Limit Hold’em v.2: Strategies for Multiple Streets by Will Tipton

i was wondering if has been set an official release date for european retailers such as amazon.it. thanks
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Old 05-07-2014, 08:00 AM   #37
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i was wondering if has been set an official release date for european retailers such as amazon.it. thanks
As we print in the US it takes a few weeks until it arrives in our European warehouse (in the UK). I am hoping it will be available in Europe just before the end of the month.

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Old 05-07-2014, 11:32 AM   #38
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As we print in the US it takes a few weeks until it arrives in our European warehouse (in the UK). I am hoping it will be available in Europe just before the end of the month.

Best regards
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Let's hope it arrives soon or else such a huge amount of capital will be transferred from European poker players who haven't read the book, to American players who have, that the world economy could collapse.
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Old 05-07-2014, 07:26 PM   #39
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Re: Expert Heads Up No Limit Hold’em v.2: Strategies for Multiple Streets by Will Tipton

Is there any way to buy this book online in a format that I can print myself?
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Old 05-07-2014, 07:54 PM   #40
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Re: Expert Heads Up No Limit Hold’em v.2: Strategies for Multiple Streets by Will Tipton

Is it not possible to print the pdf version? You get a PDF and an epub if you buy from dandbpoker
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Old 05-07-2014, 08:23 PM   #41
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Re: Expert Heads Up No Limit Hold’em v.2: Strategies for Multiple Streets by Will Tipton

got my copy from amazon yesterday
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Old 05-09-2014, 04:55 AM   #42
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Re: Expert Heads Up No Limit Hold’em v.2: Strategies for Multiple Streets by Will Tipton

So guys, how do you like the 2nd book? I ordered mine yesterday from Amazon, will get it only after month or so (havent finished 1st one anyway)
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Old 05-15-2014, 02:34 AM   #43
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Dont know if any1 who has info is even reading this but is there any news about 2nd video pack?
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Old 05-15-2014, 03:57 AM   #44
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Dont know if any1 who has info is even reading this but is there any news about 2nd video pack?
From this interview with Will posted may 10th:
http://husng.com/content/interview-w...old%E2%80%99em

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Do you have any plans for a volume 3? Anything else in the works?

No plans for any more writing. Starting out, I just meant to write one book!

I do have a video series in the works, however, that I'm very excited about. It has sort of a teach-a-man-to-fish theme. I've presented pseudoequilibrium strategies for a variety of spots in the books, but there's nothing like giving people the tools to find those themselves. So, the new video pack will walk students through the design and implementation of a fully functional max exploit and equilibrium strategy solver. This will give players the necessary knowledge and tools to do some cutting edge strategizing on their own.
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Old 05-15-2014, 01:57 PM   #45
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From this interview with Will posted may 10th:
http://husng.com/content/interview-w...old%E2%80%99em
Tnx a lot man
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Old 05-17-2014, 07:09 AM   #47
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I do have a video series in the works, however, that I'm very excited about. It has sort of a teach-a-man-to-fish theme. I've presented pseudoequilibrium strategies for a variety of spots in the books, but there's nothing like giving people the tools to find those themselves. So, the new video pack will walk students through the design and implementation of a fully functional max exploit and equilibrium strategy solver. This will give players the necessary knowledge and tools to do some cutting edge strategizing on their own.
Any rough indication of when this might be out?
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Old 05-17-2014, 11:46 AM   #48
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Any rough indication of when this might be out?
May 16

"There isn't a release date set. It'll be a few weeks at least, but possibly a decent bit longer -- getting it done right is more important to me than getting it done fast. Thanks for your interest, though -- I'm looking forward to getting them out, too. "

http://husng.com/content/interview-w...#comment-40129
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Old 05-19-2014, 08:15 AM   #49
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Page 70 of the book (Epub version) you discuss the check-call range on those boards. I know your trying to point out the concepts behind near PvBC play but I really think that excluding every single top pair on those boards is just way to far off.

I play 100bb 6max, so maybe I should adapt my thinking more to the 25bb stacks you mention but still don't see how we can assume villain will just raise every single top pair, and this has a significant effect on the rest of the section aswell as the nut% of the Polar player drops way down (its probably more like 5-8% ingame instead of the assumed 15-20%).

Personally I find that in Midstakes cash the more likely near PvBC situation (arguably by far) is the turn starting range when flop goes check-check rather then check-call, atleast in 100bb 6max.



One more point I'd like to make is about the GGOP betsizing, this is definitely an interesting idea but again I don't think you mention the potential drawbacks deeper stacks bring for the concept. Probably beyond the aim of the book but it stands to reason that anyone who would attempt to attack capped ranges this hard in actual gameplay puts in so much action comparatively to the standard Cbet-call dynamic that slowplaying the top of your range is going to be the most obvious adjustment ever. On top of that GGOP or more generally big overbets thin out villains range (cause he has to call much less often) so quickly that even a minor % of slowplays can have a significant effect.

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Old 05-20-2014, 04:35 AM   #50
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Re: Expert Heads Up No Limit Hold’em v.2: Strategies for Multiple Streets by Will Tipton

On people not having all of a certain hand in a given example spot: Perhaps it might be educational to work out the consequences of your new ranges?

On GGOP: sounds like a good time to do it over just one street then. =p
That's basically the spirit of the book imo. He can't cover everything, but he does a damn good job of explaining what he's made space for.
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