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Originally Posted by Qlka
In the Ex. 4.2:
if SB range is too strong (that means 33rd percentile hand has EQ>5/12) he will profitably shove more than 2/3 of the time. To find SB frequency of jamming we look for the weakest hand in SB range that EQ is at least 5/12, right?
There's no example 4.2, but I guess you mean section 4.2? Yea, so the situation again is that we start with 30 BB effective. SB minraises, BB 3-bets to 5bb, SB calls. On the flop, BB can c/f, b/f, or b/c, and if he c-bets, his sizing is 1/2 pot. SB plays jam or fold vs the c-bet.
If SB range is too strong so that he's jamming > 2/3 of the time, then the BB never plays b/f on the flop since c/f is better than b/f with all his weak hands. Since BB is always b/c'ing, SB should jam when
EV(jam) > EV(fold)
60*(sb's equity) > 25
sb's equity > 25/60 = 5/12
So yes, you are correct. (And keep in mind that (sb's equity) here is equity versus BB's bet-calling range, not his whole turn starting range.)
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Originally Posted by Qlka
When BB is not bet/calling enough as he should in equlibrium, SB again will shove more than 2/3 of the time, right?
I don't think this is necessarily true. If BB's range is very strong, SB might be shoving over the c-bet very rarely at equilibrium. Then if BB began bet/calling a bit too little, SB might start shoving a bit more but still less than 2/3 of the time. Did you have a different situation in mind?
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Originally Posted by Qlka
If SB range is too weak (2nd inequility is not satisifed) what % of the time SB will be shoving, less than 2/3?
Yes, it will be less than 2/3. That's essentially what the inequality means.
Big picture -- we'd like it to be the case that SB is shoving over the c-bet just enough to make BB indifferent between c/f and b/c (and this turns out to be 2/3 of time time). But there are two ways this doesn't work out
- if SBs range is strong enough so that even if BB never b/f's, SB can still profitably jam more than 2/3 of the time
- if SBs range is so weak that BB can c-bet 100% and his cbetting range still isnt weak enough that SB can jam over it 2/3 of the time
In either of these cases, the indifference breaks down, and we can't use the convenient tricks to find the equilibrium.
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Originally Posted by Qlka
I tried to calculate minimum equity for SB shoving range (when his range is too weak compared to BB) and I got 0.24, could be this correct?
How did you do it? I don't think there's any one number that's the minimum equity (do you mean equity vs BB's flop starting range or his c-betting range or his jam-calling range?) for hands in SB's shoving range. It depends on how often BB is folding to the jam, which depends on the details of the situation.