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05-31-2014 , 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted by yaqh
Yea, EDVis doesn't make it particularly easy to answer questions of the form "Give me the top X% of this range against this other range" or "Give me all hands in one range with at least Y% equity vs this other range". You can get a list of currently-selected hands from the Edit button, but we'd really like to edit the range according to their equities before we do this.

I could have sworn ProPokerTools had a page on their website that answered these sorts of questions, but I can't find it now. I haven't used any other publicly-available software that does this, but it sounds like that Pokercruncher app might be a good lead.
Afaik PPT is not capable of constructing ranges but CREV is.

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06-01-2014 , 01:39 AM
Hi, i cant figure out 1 question - "When is bluffind B with air better than bluffing L?" Its the question on page 293 about block betting.
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06-01-2014 , 01:47 AM
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Originally Posted by minotaurs
Hi, i cant figure out 1 question - "When is bluffind B with air better than bluffing L?" Its the question on page 293 about block betting.
I asked the same question about 1 year ago: http://www.dandbpoker.com/product/ex...ment-763755472
Will's response here: http://www.dandbpoker.com/product/ex...ment-765593672
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06-01-2014 , 02:06 AM
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Originally Posted by erdnase17
Ohh tnx man this block betting thing is hardest thing to understand so far for me.
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06-01-2014 , 04:38 AM
Anybody else has the issue that EDVis considers hands in the equity distribution on the right which are not in the players' preflop ranges?
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06-01-2014 , 05:23 AM
Additionally, I have been working on the test yourself exercise on p. 184 and was wondering how to calculate how much you have to win with semi-bluffs when called (nr. 6).

Sorry for double post, couldn't edit anymore
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06-01-2014 , 07:31 AM
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Originally Posted by KnutXX
Anybody else has the issue that EDVis considers hands in the equity distribution on the right which are not in the players' preflop ranges?
It's a "feature" not a bug. All hands are included in the x-axis proportionally to the fraction of the hand in the distribution, so hands with 0% get zero horizontal space
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06-01-2014 , 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by KnutXX
Additionally, I have been working on the test yourself exercise on p. 184 and was wondering how to calculate how much you have to win with semi-bluffs when called (nr. 6).

Sorry for double post, couldn't edit anymore
If turn comes Ad or 2d loks like BB is continuing about 70% of time. If pot on turn is 13.5 BB and we bet 9 BB in 13.5BB pot bluff has to work 9/(9+13.5) = 40% of time. It means BB has to fold 60% of time and this time he dont do it (he calls 70% of time).
If stacks are 100BB and we semi bluff we need to have at least
93.25=0.3*106.75+0.7*84.25+X*(9+9+13.5)
2.25=31.5X --> X=7% So our semi bluff would need to have at least 7% equity vs BB’s calling range to make bet profitable.

so S (stack what we have right now)=0.3*(stack we will have when villain folds)+0.7*(stack we will have when villain calls and we give up)+X*P(equity needed to capture some part of pot just to break even with this bluff )
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06-01-2014 , 11:46 PM
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Originally Posted by yaqh
You're right that bluffing B is better than bluffing L if (2)-(1) > 0

or P F'+ (-B)(1-F') - P F- (-L)(1-F) >0
or F'(P+B)-F(P+L) > B-L

In this last equation, we have the difference in expected returns after making the bluff on the left hand side and the differece in cost to make the bluffs on the righthand side. So you can interpret this as, bluffing B is better than bluffing L when the benefits outweigh the costs. Not a super elegant equation, but it makes enough sense I think.

What I was really trying to get at, though, is, when are F and F' likely to be such that this is the case? What sorts of Villains holding what sorts of distributions are likely to fold a lot to blocking bets but not fold all that much more to regular bets?
I still dont quite understand all about this blocking thing and what distributions would fold to blocking bet but wouldnt fold that much more to regular bet. I mean how can you fold almost the same amount to blocking bet than facing a normal bigger bet. So probably i dont understand situations and distributions when we should be block beting with significant part of our range. Can any1 help me with this?
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06-02-2014 , 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by minotaurs
I still dont quite understand all about this blocking thing and what distributions would fold to blocking bet but wouldnt fold that much more to regular bet. I mean how can you fold almost the same amount to blocking bet than facing a normal bigger bet. So probably i dont understand situations and distributions when we should be block beting with significant part of our range. Can any1 help me with this?
I think the point of the exercise is to show that block betting is effective against opponents that don't adjust correctly, i.e., don't call frequently the small bets relative to the pot size. The form of the last equation shows this: when the benefits (difference in gains between betting B and betting L) outweigh the costs (difference between the bet sizes).
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06-02-2014 , 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by MrPete
Chapter 7.3.2 and the discussion surrounding figure 7.12

You refer to the symmetric case where P = B = S and state that the BB's calling freq is 55.6%. Did you not mean 44.4%? With P = B = S, Hc =5/9 on the Y axis, so the BB is calling with all hands better than that, i.e 4/9 hands.

Sorry I couldn't give page numbers, I am currently using the ebook version.
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Originally Posted by minotaurs
dam i think u are right. On page 251 where Will showed those cutoff hands for symetric case he also told that Hc=5/9 and the BB is calling with 4/9 of his hands. Anyways not a big deal but i think u are right about that number.
You're correct -- "calling" should be "folding" in the third line of second paragraph on pg 254 (first printing).
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06-02-2014 , 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by MrPete
Also, I would just like to ask about using EDVIS. If I set the ranges and board so that that the turn is only dealt, does this give me the distributions averaged out over all possible rivers? Is this a good way of planning ahead from the turn?
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Originally Posted by minotaurs
Well i havent yet started 2nd book coz im just about to finish volume 1 but yea you get all the equities vs villains range considering any river card can come.
I can imagine we are going to use those distributions to plan ahead from the turn.
Well, I guess it depends what sort of planning you want to do, but in general, equity distributions aren't quite as useful before the river, because they don't capture exactly how they might be affected by river cards. We won't use equity distributions as heavily when we study earlier streets (i.e. in Vol 2).
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06-02-2014 , 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by KnutXX
Additionally, I have been working on the test yourself exercise on p. 184 and was wondering how to calculate how much you have to win with semi-bluffs when called (nr. 6).
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6. What do your bluffing prospects look like on each turn? Can you
bluff profitably even if you lose whenever you are called? If not, how
much do you have to win when called to make a semi-bluff profitable?
The idea here is just to write down your EV of betting and checking and see when one is bigger than the other. If Villain's folding enough, maybe you have a no-brainer bet. If not, maybe you need to actually win the pot some after you're called to make the bet profitable.

The question of how much of the pot, exactly, we can expect to capture on the river after making or not making our turn bet isn't something we've talked about yet in the series, but just make a reasonable assumption for now (e.g. maybe you just capture your equity in the pot).
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06-02-2014 , 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by minotaurs
I still dont quite understand all about this blocking thing and what distributions would fold to blocking bet but wouldnt fold that much more to regular bet. I mean how can you fold almost the same amount to blocking bet than facing a normal bigger bet. So probably i dont understand situations and distributions when we should be block beting with significant part of our range. Can any1 help me with this?
Does this post help?

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...1&postcount=86
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06-02-2014 , 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by yaqh
Now ill start to read those examples and they combined with this i hope could give me some idea about blockbetting Thanks.
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06-02-2014 , 07:34 PM
Hi Will, what are the basic requirements or any other general advice for reading your book?
I've a really basic (and confused) understanding of GT and nothing more...
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06-02-2014 , 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted by 4-Star General
Hi Will, what are the basic requirements or any other general advice for reading your book?
I've a really basic (and confused) understanding of GT and nothing more...
Hey, in short, I don't think there are any requirements beyond algebra and an interest in the game, but check out the free excerpt on the book's website. It includes the preface where I say a bit more about prereqs, my approach towards teaching this stuff, etc.
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06-07-2014 , 10:12 AM
I've installed the trial of mathematica in the hope of playing around with mathematica files on the books website but I'm pretty clueless on how to interact with the files now that I have them open. Could anyone please help me out?

Thanks
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06-08-2014 , 02:16 PM
I just bought the book yesterday. I'm winning at the 25NL and 50NL games on Carbon FR and 6max and was thinking about playing HU. Would this be a good first book to learn HU? Is it a good book to improve my 6max game?

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06-08-2014 , 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by RFoley03
I just bought the book yesterday. I'm winning at the 25NL and 50NL games on Carbon FR and 6max and was thinking about playing HU. Would this be a good first book to learn HU? Is it a good book to improve my 6max game?

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No, it's not a good book to "learn" HU.
Yes, it is a good book to improve any NL game.
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06-09-2014 , 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by MrPete
I've installed the trial of mathematica in the hope of playing around with mathematica files on the books website but I'm pretty clueless on how to interact with the files now that I have them open. Could anyone please help me out?

Thanks
No worries, worked it out.
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06-12-2014 , 04:57 AM
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Originally Posted by minotaurs
If turn comes Ad or 2d loks like BB is continuing about 70% of time. If pot on turn is 13.5 BB and we bet 9 BB in 13.5BB pot bluff has to work 9/(9+13.5) = 40% of time. It means BB has to fold 60% of time and this time he dont do it (he calls 70% of time).
If stacks are 100BB and we semi bluff we need to have at least
93.25=0.3*106.75+0.7*84.25+X*(9+9+13.5)
2.25=31.5X --> X=7% So our semi bluff would need to have at least 7% equity vs BB’s calling range to make bet profitable.

so S (stack what we have right now)=0.3*(stack we will have when villain folds)+0.7*(stack we will have when villain calls and we give up)+X*P(equity needed to capture some part of pot just to break even with this bluff )
good stuff, thanks bud
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06-13-2014 , 06:09 PM
The only strategies for Heads Up that I have read is the HU chapter in the Easy Game book. Any books or articles that you would recommend me reading to get started playing HU?
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06-14-2014 , 07:02 AM
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Originally Posted by RFoley03
The only strategies for Heads Up that I have read is the HU chapter in the Easy Game book. Any books or articles that you would recommend me reading to get started playing HU?
In the beginning i felt like i really liked "Heads-Up No-Limit Hold 'em" by Collin Moshman. You wont become very good but i think it was good for getting started. Also maybe u can try "Mersenneary Heads Up Poker Ebook". You can get it on husng.com for free.
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06-19-2014 , 01:17 AM
Hi, I just got to the example sections for this book and can't find the hands they're talking about! I got the kindle version from amazon.com. What gives?
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