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01-11-2008 , 12:17 PM
I am in the middle of this book and loving it. I agree, it is about how to be a poker player, rather than how to play poker per se.

It is a string of short lessons on how to think about poker, how to recognise the things that keep you from playing your A-game, how to behave in a live poker game, and lots more.

I tend to play too long and get too tired when playing cash in the casinos. While I know this is a bad thing, something about the way he talks about this situation and has some suggestions for overcoming this leak really struck home. I am hoping I can actually put them to use. If not, I think that means I am just addicted and need a completely different solution.

A lot of what he says is common poker knowledge, but how he says it gives you a different perspective and helps it get through to you on a deeper level. He does talk about position a lot. His analogy to a baseball team's season struck me. He points out that baseball teams play half their games away, to mitigate the home field advantage. As a poker player, we have the option of withdrawing from the away games and only playing when we have the advantage.

This is the perfect book for me. I own all the other books on NL hold em and tournaments (seriously - I can't think of one I don't have), so I have all the strategy information, if I would just read them through and use them. This book is very entertaining to read and it is really hitting home and getting to some of the things that are holding me back as a player. I highly recommend it.
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01-11-2008 , 10:57 PM
This is the Theory of Poker for the 21st century. This stuff is prolly as important to current players as ToP was to players then.

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01-12-2008 , 11:25 AM
does anyone know when this is going to be on Amazon UK? any other UK store from where I could order it?
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01-12-2008 , 11:32 AM
"Doctor, it hurts when I go like this."

"Don't go like this."

Elements of Poker is a really fantastic book, my favorite poker book ever. I say that because:

- The subject matter is easy to understand.
- Tommy identifies all sorts of problems you didn't even know you had, and gives you permission to quit them.
- It is the first poker book to address training, in the same way a professional athlete trains when off the field.
- Reading it makes you want to play your best poker.

When I turned the last page I wanted to knock down my Grandma to get to Commerce.

For those that have read it, what do you think of this claim? If you took a "regular" from any poker room, be they expert, fish, whatever, locked them in a room for 3 hours with one book, made them read it, and then sent them out to play again, is there any book that would have a more immediate impact on their score than this one? I can't think of one.
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01-12-2008 , 12:02 PM
So is there anyone that didn't love this book? So far everyone seems to be tripping over one another to write the next glowing review.
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01-12-2008 , 01:23 PM
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So is there anyone that didn't love this book? So far everyone seems to be tripping over one another to write the next glowing review.
It sucks.







I'm still waiting for it.
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01-13-2008 , 09:06 PM
This is a very enjoyable book. Tommy writes with excellent clarity. There is a lot of levity; it will not put you to sleep. The book has more of a live cash game focus but it does talk about tournaments and online poker. The examples are almost exclusively hold'em, split between limit and N/L. However, I think any poker player would be very satisfied with this book. It is not an in depth manual like HOH, HEPFAP nor does it have the heavy math of MOP, but it clearly will help most people play better and think better. I am a poker book junkie and would rate this as a definite top 10%. I highly recommend it.
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01-14-2008 , 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Gelford
I just received it today ... might do a review in a few day


I looks like prose, which might not be a bad thing, since pokerbook usually are very dry

Prose is written text that isn't poetry. I don't understand what you're saying.
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01-14-2008 , 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by pernicus53
Prose is written text that isn't poetry. I don't understand what you're saying.
He's saying it's heavy on words instead of pictures.
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01-14-2008 , 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by maurile
He's saying it's heavy on words instead of pictures.

I'm saying it is actually readable ... unlike 90% of poker books that are just a pain to read.
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01-15-2008 , 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Gelford
I'm saying it is actually readable ... unlike 90% of poker books that are just a pain to read.

Definitely. Tommy is a good writer, which is rare even for non poker authors.

Just started reading this. I will certainly add my review when I am finished with it later this week.
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01-15-2008 , 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by ClarkNasty
I haven't read the book in a while, but I'm pretty sure he doesn't say "you should" play xxxx when. He talks about what he does, and why, and talks about people deciding for themselves the worst hands they'd play, etc. I don't recall a directive type discussion though.
Congrats on being one of the only people in the world to get there 2+2 handle published
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01-15-2008 , 08:00 PM
Awesome book. I loved the diagrams about who you can talk to in a hand. There is tons of useful info in this book that nobody has ever touched on...
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03-13-2008 , 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Alvin the Chipmunk
Haha! I've had to temporarily pause at page 89 because of this very hilarious statement:

"When I play mum poker, I remain anomumous."

I'm still cracking up as I type this.

So far, I have already implemented one of the ideas suggested in the book. Its the one about quitting. The idea is to quit well before the point you fall of your A-game. Well, I play HUSNG and predictable fall off this level at around the 11th match which in my case (I two table) is around just over an hour. I now quit after the tenth match, walk around or do something else (like take a quick nap or 20 minutes on the elliptical), then go back to do another set of 10 games.

George Soros has his Theory of Reflexivity, Enstein had his Theory of Relativity, while Tommy Angelo has his Theory of Reciprocality echoing in many points of the book. It is a concept worth knowing but you have to read the book to learn it.
So far, I've learned a lot while being entertained by a very funny (yet deep) writing style.
Ref: Reciprocality: The Cause of Profit at Poker
http://www.tommyangelo.com/articles/reciprocality.htm
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03-14-2008 , 09:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Lateksi
does anyone know when this is going to be on Amazon UK? any other UK store from where I could order it?
Amazon.co.uk doesn't appear to have it or plans to have it. You can get it in the UK from highstakes(.co.uk) but they have run out at the moment. With the exchange rate as it is it might even be cheapest to get it direct from Tommy Angelo himself even with the shipping - you can get him to sign it then too.
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03-14-2008 , 10:43 PM
Cheers, but I actually ordered it from Conjelco store 6 weeks ago, wouldn't mind receiving it though! Poker Mike, care to send me another copy if this doesn't arrive soonish??
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03-15-2008 , 12:04 AM
Ooh yeah a two month old thread got bumped, didn't notice that! My bad.
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03-16-2008 , 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Lateksi
Cheers, but I actually ordered it from Conjelco store 6 weeks ago, wouldn't mind receiving it though! Poker Mike, care to send me another copy if this doesn't arrive soonish??
Lemme guess - you went with first class international?
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03-16-2008 , 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by twoplustwostore
Lemme guess - you went with first class international?
You're a mindreader! Seriously though, if we could sort something out, I would be very grateful - after you're done with the HoC pre-orders naturally. Luckily I ordered Harringtons as Priority, didn't realize what a mistake 1st class international was at the time of ordering the Angelo book
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03-16-2008 , 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Adman
So is there anyone that didn't love this book? So far everyone seems to be tripping over one another to write the next glowing review.
I was enjoying the book very much until I reached the tournament section. It's all very hand-wavy and includes a couple of things that are just grossly wrong (eg doubling your stack in the ME only increases your equity to $12K)

Tear out the tournament section before you read it and it's great.
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03-17-2008 , 07:06 PM
"eg doubling your stack in the ME only increases your equity to $12K"

Yeah I remember reading this section and not at all understanding what he meant by this. Can anyone explain what he was getting at? Sorry, I don't remember the context of his statement.

But yeah, great, great book for the subject he deals with.
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11-16-2008 , 12:13 PM
OMG this book was good. That's all I have to say.
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11-16-2008 , 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Jbrochu
Here is my review:

"Elements of Poker" is like the best of "Ace on The River" on steriods.
I'll second that. And all the while being quite entertaining.
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11-18-2008 , 02:23 AM
fantastic book. highly recommended.

got it for tilt control, but it does that and a whole lot more.
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11-19-2008 , 11:18 AM
I thought the book was decent although repetitive. It reminded me somewhat of INSIDE THE POKER MIND, however, INSIDE THE BOOK MIND is a much better and more complete book.
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