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Old 03-01-2018, 07:15 PM   #26
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Re: Educa-p0ker 6-max course, reviews

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I want to start off by saying that I feel that most people really liked the course and that I am sorry some of the guys that bought it didn’t like it as much. We are learning from all kinds of constructive feedback and we are trying to improve the course in the following areas:

1. Length of the course: we will be adding different videos, and some of them are being released right now. The course will be 30 hours as advertised. There will be more Play and Explains at different stakes, more postflop videos including theory ones and practical ones.

2. English is not smooth: we understand that I am not an English native. You can check on youtube how good it is. At some points, given I am speaking fast, it might be tougher to understand. However, the Upswing team realized that and they added subtitles to all the videos. I consider itīs a very good idea. Poker is a very technical topic and I think it should be easy for you to follow even if itīs not the most pleasing experience.

3. Preflop is too simple: I agree with the following statement “Preflop is much simpler than postflop”. I donīt consider myself an extremely good preflop player. I’ve always considered the driving force for success in poker is efficiency. I didn’t want to spend too much time on some topics that were not so important to your winrate.

If you look at the videos, in my poker career for preflop, I have used superficially solvers to understand the preflop levers, make my own ranges and try to avoid most of the possible mistakes. For me, preflop is the base for the following streets and it’s the street were we are trying to avoid mistakes rather than becoming a very accurate player. I think that using Pokersnowie is more practical than Piosolver in many spots,even if itīs much less accurate, and in some spots common sense is superior to both solvers.

I understand that some people might complain about it but I think that, given my success at the tables, it was not an issue to become a very big winner even in toughest lineups on the planet. In my opinion, preflop accuracy in NLH is much less important than in PLO or FL games for instance.

4. Lack of clarity: I can understand some of the complaints here. You can go to a video and two different things might happen:

a. Videos donīt manatain some kind of studying method: I might use different resources or methods to work on that specific spot. However, I consider these more complete than just finding one way to study poker. For me, poker is a very complex thinking process, much more often than not a non-linear one that goes in a circular fashion and you will need many different kinds of inputs. For example, using a “method” is not the way you can become creative. As well, in every single spot you can give more or less weight to one kind of reasoning over the other.

b. Videos might be too fast: for example, I often donīt describe boards or situations. I have been teaching poker for long time and I was never told these kind of things. However, I can understand it because besides me going too fast over the spots sometimes, there is also my imperfect English which leads to you needing to rewind often. This is something we are working to avoid happening again. I go slower and clearer in the latest videos, although, as with the English problem, the lack of clarity is not something that I can change for the first videos, so I ask you for some patience while going through the course. The things that I am trying to explain are very complex and technical in nature and they cover tough spots many times. You will find a lot of good material, but itīs something very technical, and I am a technician, not a speaker. If you really want to improve, you WILL find what you need. I compare it to buying the best technical book compared to a best seller book.

I would also recommend having a little bit of patience at the moment as we round out the course. To anyone who is upset, contact Upswing and we will make sure you are taken care of.
Glad to see you've addressed some concerns. I appreciate the way you're handling the feedback and working to make it better. I can confirm, if you're unhappy, email Upswing and they'll take care of you.
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Old 03-01-2018, 10:25 PM   #27
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Re: Educa-p0ker 6-max course, reviews

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I want to start off by saying that I feel that most people really liked the course and that I am sorry some of the guys that bought it didn’t like it as much. We are learning from all kinds of constructive feedback and we are trying to improve the course in the following areas:

1. Length of the course: we will be adding different videos, and some of them are being released right now. The course will be 30 hours as advertised. There will be more Play and Explains at different stakes, more postflop videos including theory ones and practical ones.

2. English is not smooth: we understand that I am not an English native. You can check on youtube how good it is. At some points, given I am speaking fast, it might be tougher to understand. However, the Upswing team realized that and they added subtitles to all the videos. I consider itīs a very good idea. Poker is a very technical topic and I think it should be easy for you to follow even if itīs not the most pleasing experience.

3. Preflop is too simple: I agree with the following statement “Preflop is much simpler than postflop”. I donīt consider myself an extremely good preflop player. I’ve always considered the driving force for success in poker is efficiency. I didn’t want to spend too much time on some topics that were not so important to your winrate.

If you look at the videos, in my poker career for preflop, I have used superficially solvers to understand the preflop levers, make my own ranges and try to avoid most of the possible mistakes. For me, preflop is the base for the following streets and it’s the street were we are trying to avoid mistakes rather than becoming a very accurate player. I think that using Pokersnowie is more practical than Piosolver in many spots,even if itīs much less accurate, and in some spots common sense is superior to both solvers.

I understand that some people might complain about it but I think that, given my success at the tables, it was not an issue to become a very big winner even in toughest lineups on the planet. In my opinion, preflop accuracy in NLH is much less important than in PLO or FL games for instance.

4. Lack of clarity: I can understand some of the complaints here. You can go to a video and two different things might happen:

a. Videos donīt manatain some kind of studying method: I might use different resources or methods to work on that specific spot. However, I consider these more complete than just finding one way to study poker. For me, poker is a very complex thinking process, much more often than not a non-linear one that goes in a circular fashion and you will need many different kinds of inputs. For example, using a “method” is not the way you can become creative. As well, in every single spot you can give more or less weight to one kind of reasoning over the other.

b. Videos might be too fast: for example, I often donīt describe boards or situations. I have been teaching poker for long time and I was never told these kind of things. However, I can understand it because besides me going too fast over the spots sometimes, there is also my imperfect English which leads to you needing to rewind often. This is something we are working to avoid happening again. I go slower and clearer in the latest videos, although, as with the English problem, the lack of clarity is not something that I can change for the first videos, so I ask you for some patience while going through the course. The things that I am trying to explain are very complex and technical in nature and they cover tough spots many times. You will find a lot of good material, but itīs something very technical, and I am a technician, not a speaker. If you really want to improve, you WILL find what you need. I compare it to buying the best technical book compared to a best seller book.

I would also recommend having a little bit of patience at the moment as we round out the course. To anyone who is upset, contact Upswing and we will make sure you are taken care of.
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Old 03-02-2018, 11:22 AM   #28
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Re: Educa-p0ker 6-max course, reviews

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I want to start off by saying that I feel that most people really liked the course and that I am sorry some of the guys that bought it didn’t like it as much. We are learning from all kinds of constructive feedback and we are trying to improve the course in the following areas:

1. Length of the course: we will be adding different videos, and some of them are being released right now. The course will be 30 hours as advertised. There will be more Play and Explains at different stakes, more postflop videos including theory ones and practical ones.

2. English is not smooth: we understand that I am not an English native. You can check on youtube how good it is. At some points, given I am speaking fast, it might be tougher to understand. However, the Upswing team realized that and they added subtitles to all the videos. I consider itīs a very good idea. Poker is a very technical topic and I think it should be easy for you to follow even if itīs not the most pleasing experience.

3. Preflop is too simple: I agree with the following statement “Preflop is much simpler than postflop”. I donīt consider myself an extremely good preflop player. I’ve always considered the driving force for success in poker is efficiency. I didn’t want to spend too much time on some topics that were not so important to your winrate.

If you look at the videos, in my poker career for preflop, I have used superficially solvers to understand the preflop levers, make my own ranges and try to avoid most of the possible mistakes. For me, preflop is the base for the following streets and it’s the street were we are trying to avoid mistakes rather than becoming a very accurate player. I think that using Pokersnowie is more practical than Piosolver in many spots,even if itīs much less accurate, and in some spots common sense is superior to both solvers.

I understand that some people might complain about it but I think that, given my success at the tables, it was not an issue to become a very big winner even in toughest lineups on the planet. In my opinion, preflop accuracy in NLH is much less important than in PLO or FL games for instance.

4. Lack of clarity: I can understand some of the complaints here. You can go to a video and two different things might happen:

a. Videos donīt manatain some kind of studying method: I might use different resources or methods to work on that specific spot. However, I consider these more complete than just finding one way to study poker. For me, poker is a very complex thinking process, much more often than not a non-linear one that goes in a circular fashion and you will need many different kinds of inputs. For example, using a “method” is not the way you can become creative. As well, in every single spot you can give more or less weight to one kind of reasoning over the other.

b. Videos might be too fast: for example, I often donīt describe boards or situations. I have been teaching poker for long time and I was never told these kind of things. However, I can understand it because besides me going too fast over the spots sometimes, there is also my imperfect English which leads to you needing to rewind often. This is something we are working to avoid happening again. I go slower and clearer in the latest videos, although, as with the English problem, the lack of clarity is not something that I can change for the first videos, so I ask you for some patience while going through the course. The things that I am trying to explain are very complex and technical in nature and they cover tough spots many times. You will find a lot of good material, but itīs something very technical, and I am a technician, not a speaker. If you really want to improve, you WILL find what you need. I compare it to buying the best technical book compared to a best seller book.

I would also recommend having a little bit of patience at the moment as we round out the course. To anyone who is upset, contact Upswing and we will make sure you are taken care of.
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Old 03-02-2018, 01:08 PM   #29
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Re: Educa-p0ker 6-max course, reviews

Has anyone got any/seen any reviews of other upswing products eg Doug HU course, Pratyush MTT, Tonkaa's?

This thread was productive for me so want to know if ANY of them are decent.
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Old 03-02-2018, 05:44 PM   #30
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Re: Educa-p0ker 6-max course, reviews

I have heard lots of positive things about Doug's HUNL course.
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Old 03-07-2018, 01:55 PM   #31
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Re: Educa-p0ker 6-max course, reviews

Elite Mastery or HUNL? Which one is better value?

I mostly play lower to mid stakes 6-max online and some 2/5-5/10 live.
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Old 03-07-2018, 05:18 PM   #32
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Elite Mastery or HUNL? Which one is better value?

I mostly play lower to mid stakes 6-max online and some 2/5-5/10 live.
Completely different courses so the value depends on what you make of it.

Are you a HU player? Probably the HU course in this situation.
Vice versa.

In terms of better reviews? HU course is far superior (only based on reviews).
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Old 03-11-2018, 12:41 PM   #33
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Re: Educa-p0ker 6-max course, reviews

This course seems to be under-whelming from reviews.

What's in educa's 2nd course that he will be selling?

(You know jnandez has UNLIMITED content available to purchase, why should this geezer be any different!)
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Old 03-19-2018, 03:30 AM   #34
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Re: Educa-p0ker 6-max course, reviews

I thought the course was great and it honestly wasn't very hard to understand him. His english is pretty damn good for not being his native language. If you don't get it, you probably haven't studied enough to be in the same realm.
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Old 03-20-2018, 04:54 PM   #35
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Re: Educa-p0ker 6-max course, reviews

I have not seen this course myself but I saw that Nathan "Blackrain79" Williams gave it a stellar review as well.
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Old 03-20-2018, 07:04 PM   #36
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I have not seen this course myself but I saw that Nathan "Blackrain79" Williams gave it a stellar review as well.
Seems like we should take any review with affiliate link with grain of salt.
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Old 03-22-2018, 08:31 AM   #37
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I cannot argue that point

When I read his review of the course, it was like the second coming. I was sitting there thinking " Wow, this is a complete 180 from most everything that i read on the 2p2 reviews. "
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Old 04-03-2018, 01:51 PM   #38
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Here's a pretty comprehensive review: https://www.totalonlinepoker.com/sin...g-Poker-Review
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Old 04-03-2018, 08:48 PM   #39
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a review with a referal link to buy the course at the end is a worthless review.
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Old 04-05-2018, 08:19 PM   #40
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Has anyone got any/seen any reviews of other upswing products eg Doug HU course, Pratyush MTT, Tonkaa's?

This thread was productive for me so want to know if ANY of them are decent.
Is there not reviews for all of these training courses around 2+2 somewhere? Kinda baffled at how hard it's been to find some, deciding whether they are worth it based on reddit reviews doesn't give me as much confidence.
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Old 04-05-2018, 08:38 PM   #41
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If there are no reviews, it means the course is really good. Think about it.
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Old 04-07-2018, 12:41 PM   #42
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If there are no reviews, it means the course is really good. Think about it.
As someone who bought the course, I can assure you this isn’t accurate.
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Old 04-07-2018, 01:05 PM   #43
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So they refunded you staysmacked?
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Old 04-07-2018, 09:35 PM   #44
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So they refunded you staysmacked?
Yep. Was very happy with their support and received full refund, no questions asked. A+ for that. I haven't seen (or heard for that matter) any updates on the course? Maybe they've updated some content, but as it was, it had potential but lacked structure, organization, and was 10 minutes rambling on topics clicking through solver window's quick without explaining. Was hoping for much better. That's not to say there isn't something that can't be learned from the course, depending on where your game is at.
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Old 04-08-2018, 02:14 AM   #45
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Yep. Was very happy with their support and received full refund, no questions asked. A+ for that. I haven't seen (or heard for that matter) any updates on the course? Maybe they've updated some content, but as it was, it had potential but lacked structure, organization, and was 10 minutes rambling on topics clicking through solver window's quick without explaining. Was hoping for much better. That's not to say there isn't something that can't be learned from the course, depending on where your game is at.
Sounds like a good testimonial for Doug's outfit.

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Old 04-14-2018, 03:35 PM   #46
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What I gather from this is that either Educa is holding back info or that getting to nosebleeds is simply running at the hot end of the bell curve.
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Old 05-31-2018, 12:13 PM   #47
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I don't use 2+2 as much as I should but I bought crush the baron a day or two ago, after the first two videos I found my self very disappointed, when I first saw there was only around 12 videos and the first two are 20m and 16m long for the price paid is not great,

so I went on to see if there were other reviews and from here I can see I am not the only one, I agree with many of the comments on here,

.content not structured
.hard to understand at times
.not as in-depth as I expected

I love watching dougs videos as he explains concepts very well and in depth but especially for my self who plays micro stakes these courses are not cheap and expect the content to be decent for the price

thank you to whoever posted about refunds i didn't know this and have emailed support for a refund as well
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Old 05-31-2018, 03:38 PM   #48
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so it was bad and $1000? poker players man lol
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Old 06-07-2018, 09:54 PM   #49
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I got the elite course a couple of months ago (no Baron) and here are my 2 cents:

1. Structure: for those who say there's no structure I really cant understand how you can think so. It's perfectly laid out into preflp & postflp- and even then between the two totally structured into diff spots- ex: 3bt pots ip as aggressor, cbt oop, a TON of bvb focus, etc. Very clearly laid out and great progression.
2. Educa not being understood > gimme a HUGE break. The guy has an accent. The only word he uses that's funny at first is "equilibrated" instead of "balanced" but if you cant figure it out then this course is def not for you.
3. The 'meat n potatoes' of the course: Look, if you want to pay $1k and have someone hand you a 9 page notebook titled "Be a nosebleed player in 2 weeks" and have it be true, then this is NOT the course for you. I didn't go into this thinking to be lazy- i EXPECTED a lot of work in order for me to REALLY grasp what he's talking about. After 2 months of really working hard I'm slowly coming around and really cant wait to go deeper & deeper. This course lays the foundation for you to build on. The guy is really telling you how the top guys do it and I think it's crazy people are complaining. TBH I didn't want to write anything on here because I thought it would be great for me for less people to be getting this but it bugged me how harsh people were being. Could this course be better here and there? of course- its not prefect....but to have a nosebleed crusher tell you his process it really would just be foolish not to take advantage.
Cliffs: If you really want to climb the ranks then $1k is way worth it.
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