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Old 10-13-2015, 01:43 PM   #1276
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Yes that is 13.9%. Sorry to waste your guys time. My brain isn't working today.
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Old 10-14-2015, 06:39 AM   #1277
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He's saying that they've done studies and 13.9% of the time it works every time.
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Old 10-17-2015, 11:27 PM   #1278
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Is this book of janda available in french yet ?
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Old 10-19-2015, 07:09 PM   #1279
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I just finished Poker's 1% and just ordered this book as well as Tipton's. I plan to read both, is there any benefit to starting with one before the other?
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Old 10-20-2015, 08:30 PM   #1280
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Old 10-21-2015, 06:31 PM   #1281
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"We expect the big blind will on average lose 5.5 big blinds when the weakest 3-bet bluff in his range is called."

Under what criteria we assume this number (5.5)?
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Old 10-24-2015, 06:05 PM   #1282
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So I'm currently reading this. Great book thus far. My question is will trying to implement this get me killed in my 1/2 game? The disclaimer at the beginning by Mason and David has me concerned about trying to implement this.
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Old 10-27-2015, 04:15 PM   #1283
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So I'm currently reading this. Great book thus far. My question is will trying to implement this get me killed in my 1/2 game? The disclaimer at the beginning by Mason and David has me concerned about trying to implement this.
I'm only about 1/3rd through the book, but it is mostly written as if you are playing against a very, very good opponent. Therefore, you would not want to directly implement the ranges and strategy against a 1/2 game (the way you say it, I assume this is live) full of bad fish.

What I think is most instructive from a book like this is to compare the strategy to your fishy opponents. It will help make it obvious where they are playing exploitably because they are not similar to the more unexploitable style in the book. For a very obvious example, is old man Jimmy raising enough bluffs relative to his value raises to make you indifferent to continuing against his raise? Of course not, old man Jimmy only raises for strict value. So we can exploit that by folding almost everything to his flop raises, and by then trying to determine if these bluff raise hands go into his fold to cbet range (so we cbet more) or if they go into his calling range (so we double barrel more against a weak wide range.
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Old 10-27-2015, 05:34 PM   #1284
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I'm only about 1/3rd through the book, but it is mostly written as if you are playing against a very, very good opponent. Therefore, you would not want to directly implement the ranges and strategy against a 1/2 game (the way you say it, I assume this is live) full of bad fish.

What I think is most instructive from a book like this is to compare the strategy to your fishy opponents. It will help make it obvious where they are playing exploitably because they are not similar to the more unexploitable style in the book. For a very obvious example, is old man Jimmy raising enough bluffs relative to his value raises to make you indifferent to continuing against his raise? Of course not, old man Jimmy only raises for strict value. So we can exploit that by folding almost everything to his flop raises, and by then trying to determine if these bluff raise hands go into his fold to cbet range (so we cbet more) or if they go into his calling range (so we double barrel more against a weak wide range.
Thanks for the response, I appreciate it. I think that you're definitely right, the value at my level is looking for ways to exploit those who deviate from the style that Janda outlines.
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Old 10-28-2015, 09:28 AM   #1285
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Just wanted to quickly stop by and say while I know I've mostly been neglecting this thread for the past month or two I will have some free time next week and try to answer any remaining questions. If I miss a question that hasn't already been answered just PM me with the post number and I'll get to it.
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Old 11-04-2015, 05:06 PM   #1286
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Sorry guys, not a native english speaker here...

The word "felt" as a verb (seems like a present tense) comes often in the book but i can't find a translation that makes senses...

example: p. 140 ->" 5. Our opponent is usually required to felt at least 20% of his flop betting range. If he felts less than this, it will be profitable for us ro recklessly bluff."

Felt = defend ?

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Old 11-04-2015, 05:19 PM   #1287
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Sorry guys, not a native english speaker here...

The word "felt" as a verb (seems like a present tense) comes often in the book but i can't find a translation that makes senses...

example: p. 140 ->" 5. Our opponent is usually required to felt at least 20% of his flop betting range. If he felts less than this, it will be profitable for us ro recklessly bluff."

Felt = defend ?

Thanks in advance.
I think that he essentially means go all in with 20% of his flop betting range.
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Old 11-04-2015, 05:20 PM   #1288
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Sorry guys, not a native english speaker here...

The word "felt" as a verb (seems like a present tense) comes often in the book but i can't find a translation that makes senses...

example: p. 140 ->" 5. Our opponent is usually required to felt at least 20% of his flop betting range. If he felts less than this, it will be profitable for us ro recklessly bluff."

Felt = defend ?

Thanks in advance.
Usually means stacking off (felt is the table covering so going to the felt means all your chips have gone - down to the felt)
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Old 11-04-2015, 05:57 PM   #1289
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Much appreciated guys, thanks !
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Old 11-11-2015, 02:13 PM   #1290
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So I'm currently reading this. Great book thus far. My question is will trying to implement this get me killed in my 1/2 game? The disclaimer at the beginning by Mason and David has me concerned about trying to implement this.
I think it'd be pretty hard to implement strategies here and get "killed" in a 1/2 game unless the rake is crazy.

I'd still probably implement most of the strategies recommended in the book (bluff raise lots of flops, 3-bet a lot PF, be willing to overbet when the opponent's range is capped, etc) but I think you'd want to be careful about it and really keep in mind who you're playing against. For example live there may be some players that will fold 100% of their range to a river overbet when they can only have top-pair whereas other players may call 100% as they don't want to feel like they're being pushed around and they also just in general refuse to fold top-pair.
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Old 11-11-2015, 02:16 PM   #1291
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"We expect the big blind will on average lose 5.5 big blinds when the weakest 3-bet bluff in his range is called."

Under what criteria we assume this number (5.5)?
It's just a number made up when trying to model the situation. It was made back when people were folding wayyyyyyyyyy too much to 3-bets online in certain positions (at least at SSNL and MSNL).

In reality if your worse 3-bet "bluff" get called in any position I would expect your EV to be a lot higher than 5.5BB. In fact it'd probably be way, way higher, but this wasn't as well understood when the book was written. One of the reasons why 3-betting hands like AXs is so profitable, for example, is your 3-betting range is stronger than his 3-bet calling range so even when you whiff you can likely make a profitable with ATC on most board textures (though it depends on lots of stuff, like your position, his position, and your 3-bet sizing).

Also, expect your post-flop EV to increase as people call 3-bets with wider ranges, as they do now. It's much easier to defend post-flop when you fold 60% of the time to a 3-bet pre-flop than if you only fold 30% of the time.

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Old 11-11-2015, 02:23 PM   #1292
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Hi Matt,
don't understand p148 when you write the following equation when you consider 80% equity for value & 20% for bluff,

0.8X+0.2(1-X)=0.343

34,3% of your flop betting has to be bet for value on the turn and river right? but I don't see why these 34,3% are a combination of another value betting range like the equation state it.

I spent couple of hours to really understand but this chapter... I started to do calculations on my own. I started from the river and said:

75% bet size --> for the call : villain win 80%*(1-X)*1.75+20%*(X)*1.75- vilain loose 20%(1-X)*0.75-80%*X*0.75 and finally get lost
I'm a bit confused what you're asking, but I'd just stick with this. When you're betting or raising with a polarized range on the flop (and you have the stack depth that allows you to bet 2/3 of the pot so), you want significantly more bluffs than value bets on the flop. Maybe 3 bluffs for every 2 value bets or so. On the turn, you want around 1 bluff for 1 value bet. On the river, you want a lot more value bets than bluffs.

That's it. NLHE situations do NOT model perfectly, and you won't always be using these ratios, especially as your betting range gets less polarized or you don't have sufficient stack depth to make reasonable sized bets (like in tournies). But if you do find you're raising 9 sets on the flop and only 5 blufs, then something is probably wrong. If you're betting 30 top-pair on the turn and only 12 gut-shots, something is probably wrong. That's what the model tells us and that's what I'd keep in mind. I wouldn't worry about the exact math from the models.
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Old 11-11-2015, 02:24 PM   #1293
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Woah Janda you have a book out? Whaaat?

Just ordered it. I'm one of the guys you used to coach for Jamin back in like 2008?
Those were good times, though I don't think that was as far back as 2008 was it?
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Old 11-11-2015, 02:25 PM   #1294
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Hello everyone! I'm a noob at poker, been playing only about a year microstakes and some small stakes (5-20e buy in) local bar tournaments couple of times a week. I've read SuperSystem (which was great for understanding the importance of aggressive play IMO) and I just finished reading Sklansky's The Theory of Poker.

Now my question is should I get Sklansky's "NL Hold'em: Theory and Practise" or do you consider it outdated compared to this book, ie. does this book cover the concepts and strategies of Sklansky's book plus even more? The mathematics won't be a problem.

Just asking because it would seem a waste of time to read NLHL:T&P if the Applications offers even better strategies and introduces the same concepts.
I don't think one book replaces the other.
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Old 11-11-2015, 02:28 PM   #1295
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I'm a little embarrassed to ask, but I can't figure this out.

On page 47 it reads:

It then says:

Where does that 100 come from? I thought maybe it's 100bb buy-in stack. And after reading Mahee's self-reply, I'm inclined to believe that's what it means. The part I'm having trouble with, is understanding why, if our equity is 45% wouldn't the ev calculation look like:
.45(201.5) - .55(100)=35.65?
Yup, you got it.

Your equation makes it seem like you win 201.5BB overall for the hand 45% of the time, but you don't. You're counting your own starting stack as money won. So if you stack your opponent you'll only win 100 + 1 + 0.5 = 101.5BB (his stack and the antes).
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Old 11-11-2015, 02:29 PM   #1296
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Sorry for spamming but i have been messing around with pokersnowie for the first time i imported last nights session of 2k hands and its saying i played at expert level with only 10 blunders. I am a terrible player playing at 10nl?
I like Snowie a lot but I wouldn't put a lot of stock in how it rates you as a player, especially if you play against opponents who will make bet-sizes and take lines that Snowie would not (which almost certainly happens at lower limits).
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Old 11-11-2015, 02:31 PM   #1297
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Those ranges look really weird and the sb uses a limping strategy using certain percentages for a lot of hands which is just way over my head.
I think Snowie will give very tricky missed strats pretty often when it just doesn't know what to do. That says, when it does recommend a mixed strat it should tell you that a mixed strat likely does exist there or the EV of two lines is very close.

SB vs BB ranges are a mess in general and very tricky.
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Old 11-11-2015, 02:32 PM   #1298
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How would you alter your 3 betting out of the blinds sitting 300 BB deep?
More emphasis on robust equity, less emphasis on non-robust equity,I'd be more inclined to use multiple 3-bet sizings pre-flop, and I'd probably check a bit more frequently post-flop (especially on certain board textures).

That said the overall change to my strategy would probably be a lot less than people would expect. The same hands that 3-bet well for 100BB usually will 3-bet well for 1000BB too.
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Old 11-11-2015, 02:34 PM   #1299
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Thanks to everyone who commented about the book and also to everyone that helped other people answer their questions.

I tried to answer everything but if I did miss a question feel free to PM me and I'll try to answer it.
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Old 11-12-2015, 01:01 AM   #1300
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Hi,Janda,
I have two question about Snowie want to ask you.
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Do you agree with Snowie add a lot calling range in sb pre-flop range,I do not understand why ,can you explain to me.
2.
Snowie use frequency to play a hand .i mean,for example ,Snowie suggest open 24 percent QJo on the UTG 6max,and other post-flop frequency.how do I go to apply it ,use a random number generator?
Other GTO software have same practical use problem,such as simple postflop.
I think it is too hard to remember and use GTO range to play poker.especially post-flop range.
can your give me some your opinion.
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