Hi Matthew,

Are you unhappy only with parts of your suggested preflop range, or all of it? If the former, what parts are you unhappy with? (no reason needed)

Do you have a concrete list of updated opening ranges?
Would i be fine using your opening ranges from each position, and tweak the cold-calling ranges and 3-bet ranges?

You mentioned that you played more hu in the past. Im a HU Player and are interested in your ranges.

(1) What is your opening-raising range (100 %,90 %,....)?
(2) What is your 3betting-Range?
(3) What is your calling range vs 3bets?
(4) What is your 4bet-range?
(5) What is your calling range vs 4bets?

Remove the post, similar questions have been asked.

Sorry but I made these ranges with someone else and they'd prefer I don't give them out.

I like the logic behind the ranges, it just turns out pre-flop doesn't model well with "polarized" ranges so the ranges that came out weren't likely very good. That becomes more true as people call 3-bets and 4-bets more. When I originally made them people called 3-bets and 4-bets less and the ranges were probably a lot better in practice than they are now.

Opening range from each position:

MP: AA-22,AKo-ATo,KQo-KJo,QJo,AKs-A2s,KQs-K7s,QJs-Q9s,JTs-J9s,T9s-T8s,98s-97s,87s-86s,76s,65s,54s

CO: AA-22,AKo-ATo,KQo-KJo,QJo,AKs-A2s,KQs-K7s,QJs-Q9s,JTs-J9s,T9s-T8s,98s-97s,87s-86s,76s,65s,54s

BTN: AA-22,AKo-A2o,KQo-K8o,QJo-Q9o,JTo-J9o,T9o-T8o,98o,87o,AKs-A2s,KQs-K2s,QJs-Q2s,JTs-J6s,T9s-T6s,98s-96s,87s-86s,76s-75s,65s-64s,54s-53s,43s (probably too wide in theory I think but who knows)

SB: Just wrote 3 articles on this. If you want to get more advanced you should develop a limping range here as well but now you're dealing with multiple ranges which most people don't like to do.

I apparently accidentally saved over my UTG in flopzilla, but it's probably this or so (made it in 5 seconds):

AA-55,AKo-ATo,KQo-KJo,AKs-A8s,A5s-A3s,KQs-KTs,QJs-QTs,JTs-J9s,T9s,98s,87s

I don't want to go on a huge tangent but if you make the opening size bigger than hands like KJo I think get worse (as calling ranges get stronger) and hands like 76s get better (as you have more fold equity pre-flop and more robust equity for when you do get called). But that's just a general guideline I try to follow and not concrete or anything.

The 3-betting ranges are going to be what needs the most tweaking. Check out the CO ranges I posted earlier to get a general idea of what I'm doing now and remember the cold calling range in the BB depends drastically on the opening size.

Thanks Matthew. I appreciate it.

What about the IP opening ranges? Are they also a bit more "balanced" or value weighted as in more proned to 3bet-5bet hands like AKo which aren't often value 5bets or 3bet-call hands like JJ.

Any chance you could show an examples of BtnvsCO and COvMP ranges :3

I just posted them.

I 3-bet AKo pretty aggressively and then either call the 4-bet or 5-bet AI, depending on positions.

Meant IP 3b ranges, so ****ing tired being awake like 24hours

Hey Matthew, did you make a mistake here or are MP and CO supposed to have the same opening range?

AA-22,AKo-A9o,KQo-KTo,QJo-QTo,JTo,AKs-A2s,KQs-K4s,QJs-Q8s,JTs-J8s,T9s-T7s,98s-97s,87s-86s,76s-75s,65s-64s,54s = CO

AA-22,AKo-ATo,KQo-KJo,QJo,AKs-A2s,KQs-K7s,QJs-Q9s,JTs-J9s,T9s-T8s,98s-97s,87s-86s,76s,65s,54s = MP

Rather not post all of these. I'll check to see if I have a specific one you want though.

Matthew, I wonder what are your immediate adjustments to tables with antes?

Should opening and 3 betting ranges be wider since there is more dead money and rewards are bigger if opening sizes stay the same? Should opening sizes go bigger and ranges stay as in normal tables to keep the same price for the BB? Doing second approach we are getting smaller SPR so is like playing table with shorter effective stacks. Does it matter if BB is getting good price in first approach since he is still playing OOP?

Of course I want to know the answer from game theory standpoint.

This by a LOTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT. Like probably a lot, lot more than almost everyone reading this is thinking. When antes are big (say 0.2BB) it has a huge effect on opening/3-betting/3-bet calling ranges since there's so much more dead money at play.

I'd also make the open a bit bigger in general to give potential callers (mainly the BB) a worse price.

Stack depth can get things a bit messy but I'd still say the above mostly applies, but it's hard to group 10bb with 30bb with 100bb stack depth.

I mix tourneys and cashgames so I'm interested in how ranges would differ with antes . If I open btn 50% (example) when there's 1.5bb dead money on non ante tables and blinds defend correctly then when there's 0.1bb antes in play there's an incentive for me to open a lot wider with 2.4bb dead money (9 handed) but also there's the incentive for the blinds to defend a lot wider so will it just mean a lot wider ranges on both sides or will they neutralize each other to where we're back to opening 50% again ?

He has a very promising series on Card Runners for mtt theory. Or at episode only out so far. I recommend though.

Basically yes, by a lot (with probably some weird stack depth/ICM making exceptions).

I agree that both ranges will be much wider, they will "neutralize" eachother like you said, but only to a small degree. Just look at some simple push/fold spots with and without antes to get an simple example (not saying you should pushold shortstacks, but use it as a simple model of how the neutralization effect works).
Without antes, the BB is trying to lose as little as possible, but with antes he might be expecting increase in his satack in some spots. If there is like 1bb in antes +0,5bb from SB dead money, the BB and stealer could end up "dividing" those 1,5bb, so maybe BB gets 0,2bb and stealer get 1,3bb or something...

Mathew: can you get us an idea about what you will be talking in the tourney cardrunners series? I hadnt time to watch the first part yet, so sorry if its there.

I imagine this question has been answered already, but maybe someone could point me towards the correct post?

When facing a raise IN POSITION, what are the pros/cons of a linear vs polarized 3-betting range?

BB is still trying to win as much as possible (with folding being 0 EV) whether there's antes or not. Nothing magical happens when the BB is supposed to overall net money on the hand. So make sure you're nothing thinking of winning 0.99 or 1.01 (with folding being 0) EV being much different. But yes, the antes make many hands in the BB more +EV assuming the button is opening to the same sizing.

You're probably better off just watching the first part on CardRunners and going from there. It's also probably a good idea to keep more book related questions here and more video related questions on CardRunners.

Pros of polarized: Allows you to call with hands that are more +EV calls than +EV 3-bets if they exist.

The only debate is whether those hands exist. If they do, you want a calling range and that will make your 3-betting range more polarized (for all practical purposes..... it's unlikely you'll use a linear 3-betting range AND calling range). If those hands don't exist, you should just 3-bet all your good hands and fold all the hands not +EV to 3-bet.

Thanks Matthew.

My concern about it all is due to lack of board coverage. But I take it playing strong hands make up for that?

Matthew, I love your book. It's masterpiece.



In thread, you said we can overbet, if we don't think opponent have raising range. Here, the turn was exact spot you mentioned. However, It doesn't matter whether we bet standard size or overbet because effective stack force us to play 2 streets.

Basically we hate almost half of deck on the river, I want to charge him ott, but spr matters. I want to easily fold on nasty river if we bet the turn like I did.

Do we have to overbet to make him to make mistake or fold? Then how about sizing here?

Hey Matthew,

Was just wondering if you could repost your "sb 3b only non-polrarized range vs but" again as the chart has disappeared from post #62. Thanks

p.s Would it be correct to say that the situations in which to 3b a non-polarized range are only vs steals, and probably not including but vs co, seeing as its easier to control the pot with broadway hands which hit pairs etc.

Hi,
Which is correct, fold AJo MP vs UTG or 3-bet?