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Advanced Concepts in No-Limit Hold'em: A Modern Approach to Poker Analysis - Hunter Cichy Advanced Concepts in No-Limit Hold'em: A Modern Approach to Poker Analysis - Hunter Cichy

06-04-2017 , 06:53 PM
https://www.amazon.com/Advanced-Conc...=hunter+chichy

I was tempted to buy this other book with Janda's new one. The content seems somewhat promising, but I cannot find enough info about the author. Anyone got any info or can provide some review of the book?
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06-05-2017 , 03:55 PM
Lots of videos on youtube under check shove poker done by the author
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06-09-2017 , 06:57 PM
Hi,

Both PokerNews.com and CardsChat.com have recently posted reviews of it.
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06-09-2017 , 11:01 PM
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Originally Posted by D & B Poker
Hi,

Both PokerNews.com and CardsChat.com have recently posted reviews of it.
From the Cards Chat review referring to poker books in 2003:

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Poker books at the time had very little value. They focused mostly on things like reading physical tells that don’t really help a less experienced player.

And that era of books (with the exceptions of Doyle Brunson’s ‘Super System’ series and some of David Sklansky’s solid publications) lacked a proven system to follow.
Whenever I see something like this, I just assume they weren't aware that no-limit hold 'em as a cash game was not a poker game you would find in public cardrooms or on the Internet in 2003. And in 2003 there was only one book that had much readership when it came to tells, and it's fair to say that (again in 2003) with the exception of one writer, the vast majority of poker literature available at that time had little if any discussion on tells.

By the way, my comments do not reflect on the Cichy book in any way.

Best wishes,

Mason
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07-06-2017 , 11:51 AM
Does anyone have any more to say about this? It sounds like a fairly sophisticated look at live play which should be worthwhile, but I want to know if anyone has read it
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07-06-2017 , 02:53 PM
I thought it was pretty good, and offered a lot of solid advice.

It was 10% basic poker math primer that was well done.

Another 40% of charts showing Pokersnowies preflop ranges with some commentary. The author seems to have a lot of faith in the strength of Snowie's AI.

The remaining 50% of the book is hand examples with short explanations.

As someone who has spent many hours with Snowie,CREV,PIO.... I didn't think the book was really "Advanced Concepts", but as someone with online poker background I might be biased. It also lacks any exploration of multi-way pots that are so common in live poker.
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08-09-2017 , 05:15 PM
Anymore reviews of this? I've considered getting it as it looks like it might be useful for the games I play, but was going to wait to see if there was a bit more feedback first.

It seems like the author uses Pokersnowie a lot to help with live game play. That concerns me a little because I often re-run my own live hands through Snowie scenarios and a lot of the time the ranges Snowie is recommending for players are so different to the ranges most live game players use, that the line Snowie recommends is often less profitable for the games I play in.

Example:

$1-$2 NLHE live cash, EP limps, MP raises $12 (150 bb stack), HJ calls $12, Cutoff calls $12, we are button with AKo (150bb deep), Snowie recommends fold (Snowie contining range KK+, AKs).

In live games I frequent this preflop action is not that unusual and I would say hands like AKo, QQ have huge amounts of EV on the button in these spots, but Snowie recommends fold.

So I'm not sure that using Snowie to work on your live poker game is the best study method, but would be interested to hear from others who have read the book.
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08-10-2017 , 12:46 PM
I'm a big fan of using Snowie for analysis of online games, but I'd estimate that if Snowie could play live, it would probably have a VPIP of about 3% in a 1/2 game, because it doesn't get involved in multiway pots without very strong hands. Live players play much looser than whatever optimal play against pseudo GTO robots would be, and I think the general consensus is that - for the low limits - you don't actually need any "advanced" concepts. I've not read this book however. I just presumed from the title that it's aimed at online players.
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08-18-2017 , 09:18 PM
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Originally Posted by ArtyMcFly
I'm a big fan of using Snowie for analysis of online games, but I'd estimate that if Snowie could play live, it would probably have a VPIP of about 3% in a 1/2 game, because it doesn't get involved in multiway pots without very strong hands. Live players play much looser than whatever optimal play against pseudo GTO robots would be, and I think the general consensus is that - for the low limits - you don't actually need any "advanced" concepts. I've not read this book however. I just presumed from the title that it's aimed at online players.
No it's not, aimed at live 2/5 and 5/10, most of examples are hu button vs big blind
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08-30-2017 , 12:54 AM
Cichy is a live cash NLHE player and coach in South Florida.

FWIW, Jeff Hwang gave the book an extensive and glowing review ("A++. Well thought-through, and a remarkably easy read for an advanced text.") on Amazon.

Hwang noted the same deficiencies as mike1270 described above.

I completely agree with mike1270's review. Solid poker advice based on a simplified psuedo-GTO preflop strategy playing out post-flop in heads-up pots.
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11-05-2017 , 07:42 PM
Hi Everyone:

I’ve now read about half of this book and based on what I’ve read it’s definitely worth reading.

Best wishes,
Mason
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11-10-2017 , 01:28 PM
Introduction - nice writing

The Math chapter - very very very basic and not well explained. Could be 100% skipped for pro.

Preflop open bet sizes - 3x, 3.5x it can really works in live games? If it target 5/10$ maybe..? I do not know, I never played them. It can be good in loose-passive 1/2$ and 2/4$ fields? Maybe from perspective of GTO based of our range strength and stack sizes 100bb yes..? but when betting from EP, a part of betting for value, should we not have in mind as well to thin a filed especially when playing deep stack when is the case more often than not in live games? (+ probably we loose value from our strongest part of ranges).

Preflop opening ranges - CO open: 23% ; HJ open: 16% ; on charts we can see same range for both position, ie. 16% . hmm.. somebody done his job to quickly..

Design and infographics not so good so far. Charts really unaesthetic (and with errors), red color using when no needed (ie. page number etc).

I keep reading. I still fell like there can be some value We will see.

Price - very correct.

Last edited by Mirikrom; 11-10-2017 at 01:55 PM.
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12-03-2017 , 11:33 PM
Any updates on a review of the complete book?
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12-14-2017 , 07:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Mason Malmuth
Hi Everyone:

I’ve now read about half of this book and based on what I’ve read it’s definitely worth reading.

Best wishes,
Mason
Hi Everyone:

I've finished reading this book and agree that it's a very strong work. My review will run in a future issue of our Two Plus Two Online Poker Strategy Magazine, and it's definitely recommended.

Best wishes,
Mason
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12-19-2017 , 12:18 PM
According to whatever I have read on this thread so far, considering the latest Janda book among others, and the software tools we have, it is hard to see any value in this book even if one plays live games.

It would have been far better to focus on live games only from the ranges, experience point of views, although it might have some comments but I am not a fan of Snowie ranges or the way it plays, and if that is so even preflop, it leaves little to hope for correct postflop play.

This as so is a sort of a second wave book that should probably have never been written.
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12-20-2017 , 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by 6471849653
According to whatever I have read on this thread so far, considering the latest Janda book among others, and the software tools we have, it is hard to see any value in this book even if one plays live games.

It would have been far better to focus on live games only from the ranges, experience point of views, although it might have some comments but I am not a fan of Snowie ranges or the way it plays, and if that is so even preflop, it leaves little to hope for correct postflop play.

This as so is a sort of a second wave book that should probably have never been written.
You should probably read the book before giving it a negative review. The Snowie ranges are used as a sort of GTO foundation upon which to build exploitative live cash game ranges. And as far as the postflop section is concerned, Cichy delivers a clinic on exploiting villian's frequency and value-to-bluff ratio mistakes. And he does all of this in a very easy to understand way. IMO this book is easily worth the purchase price.
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12-20-2017 , 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by bornlooser
You should probably read the book before giving it a negative review.
+1
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10-31-2019 , 12:00 AM
Practical advice for non-experts in modern poker which is most live players.

Mostly for casino cash players.

Practical? Your live game poker should improve and you figure to make more money or lose less.

The book was written by a pro who has done well playing poker and who is well versed in poker theory.

If the author updates, perhaps more content on multiway.

The book pairs well with Sklansky's 2019 NLH book.

(The book is so practical that I do not feel like nitpicking over theoretical concepts/ideas)

Last edited by tuccotrading; 10-31-2019 at 12:11 AM.
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03-29-2020 , 08:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Mirikrom
Introduction - nice writing

The Math chapter - very very very basic and not well explained. Could be 100% skipped for pro.

Preflop open bet sizes - 3x, 3.5x it can really works in live games? If it target 5/10$ maybe..? I do not know, I never played them. It can be good in loose-passive 1/2$ and 2/4$ fields? Maybe from perspective of GTO based of our range strength and stack sizes 100bb yes..? but when betting from EP, a part of betting for value, should we not have in mind as well to thin a filed especially when playing deep stack when is the case more often than not in live games? (+ probably we loose value from our strongest part of ranges).

Preflop opening ranges - CO open: 23% ; HJ open: 16% ; on charts we can see same range for both position, ie. 16% . hmm.. somebody done his job to quickly..

Design and infographics not so good so far. Charts really unaesthetic (and with errors), red color using when no needed (ie. page number etc).

I keep reading. I still fell like there can be some value We will see.

Price - very correct.

The error is still there and I just got the book in late 2019.

Does anyone had the correct CO openings?

Also it seems inconsistent that the opening ranges are 3.5 BB (which isn't even possible at 2/5 live) and the defends are vs 3x openings.

While it is geared towards live play, it does work better for 6 max on-line play. As a previous poster mentioned, practically void of multi-way analysis, lots of HU between CO or BTN and BB. It is super tight compared to what you will see in live play openings for EP1 to LJ, not saying it's charts aren't correct and you should be that tight in EP, I just would not assume villains are that tight. My 3 betting range live vs EP is much looser than the book would indicate, because I (possibly incorrectly) my default is live players open with approx the LJ hands even in EP1.

Last edited by MNactuary; 03-29-2020 at 08:17 AM.
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03-29-2020 , 09:26 AM
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Does anyone had the correct CO openings?
Yes, the author sent me the correct range. I don't think I should be publicly posting his chart, however. You may want to contact him.
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04-04-2020 , 05:58 PM
Can u please upload the co chart cos we all need it who bought the book?
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04-06-2020 , 06:16 PM
I see in the other thread that you already contacted the author, but for those interested, an email can be sent to the author from his website:
https://www.checkshovepoker.com/contact
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