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05-14-2018 , 02:27 AM
Hey guys, I'm looking for advice on what the difference is from online and live. I have won a lot playing live, but for some reason lost a decent amount online and I can't really figure out why. I started to play live about 2 months ago at .1/.2 stakes happening around my area, in a matter of a month, I turned 20 into about 1000. I then decided that I could deposit 250 onto ignition/bovada and then proceeded to lose it in a matter of 5 days playing mostly 10nl and 5nl. I did play some 25nl and 50 NL though and did better on these tables for the most part. Any and all suggestions on why I may be losing would be appreciated as well as advice and resources on how to make these stakes more profitable. I plan to deposit 100 again and hopefully do a lot better this time. Thank you in advance!
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05-14-2018 , 08:18 AM
In short, people online play way way way way way way better, and because of that you're probably just losing online.

How much experience do you have online?
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05-14-2018 , 08:40 AM
It's hard to say based on what you've written. Some possibilities:

a) you limp too much, which is ok live but gets beat up online.
b) you coldcall too much, which is ok live but gets squeezed often online.
c) you have betsize tells.
d) you bet too thinly for value, which is good live but doesn't get the action you're looking for online.
e) you fold too much to aggression, which is good live but gets exploited online.
etc.
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05-14-2018 , 09:15 AM
Live players are too loose, so they make weak hands that an average player will beat. Online players are much tighter, so they make strong hands that will destroy you. When switching from live to online, you probably just need to fold a lot more often to succeed.
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05-14-2018 , 03:21 PM
Maybe people online are using a HUD effectively to quickly profile your weak spots? It seems that live some people never catch on to your tricks because the time between you pulling them is far greater.
(Though this is not experience from poker - as I don't play online - but from another card game that is pretty popular in my area)
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05-15-2018 , 02:08 AM
online you generally need a royal flush to win. live you need 7 high at the showdown. that might explain why your winning at live.
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05-16-2018 , 02:28 AM
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Originally Posted by antialias
Maybe people online are using a HUD effectively to quickly profile your weak spots? It seems that live some people never catch on to your tricks because the time between you pulling them is far greater.
(Though this is not experience from poker - as I don't play online - but from another card game that is pretty popular in my area)
Heard too about people HUD online. That must explain it.
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05-16-2018 , 03:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Tayler27
Heard too about people HUD online. That must explain it.
That's like the 20th reason OP doesn't win online.
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05-18-2018 , 08:41 AM
I have found that I do better at larger stakes online than micro stakes, but when you make a mistake at the larger stakes it hurts a lot more. Some of my losses at smaller stakes are due to boredom "my own fault", making calls because "it's not really that much money" again my fault, and lastly due to someone playing a complete **** starting hand and somehow binking a miracle card after I piled the money in while I am good and then I lose a big hand. A combo of all of those definitely makes it harder to be profitable online than live. And I guess due to the volume of hands online and higher volume of bad players at micros, you see a lot more of these nasty beats.
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05-21-2018 , 05:16 AM
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Originally Posted by kittrell87
I have found that I do better at larger stakes online than micro stakes, but when you make a mistake at the larger stakes it hurts a lot more. Some of my losses at smaller stakes are due to boredom "my own fault", making calls because "it's not really that much money" again my fault, and lastly due to someone playing a complete **** starting hand and somehow binking a miracle card after I piled the money in while I am good and then I lose a big hand. A combo of all of those definitely makes it harder to be profitable online than live. And I guess due to the volume of hands online and higher volume of bad players at micros, you see a lot more of these nasty beats.
DANGER WILL ROBINSON!*

There are a lot of good reasons to start at the lowest levels and grind your way up:


1. Bankroll management. You should have plenty of buy-ins for the level at which you play.

Poker is my job and I will almost never play a tournament if I don't have a bankroll of 100 times my buy-in. If you can afford to lose a little money I guess it's OK to start tournaments with between 25 and 50 buy-ins, but think about the following situation:

You have $30, which is a bankroll of 30 buy-ins--but not really, since that tournament probably costs $1.10. Your bankroll is really only 27 buy-ins.

The next day you see a $3.30 tournament with a big prize pool and you want to take a shot at it. Your bankroll is $27 and you're playing a $3.30 tournament. Now you only have 8 buy-ins at that level (3.30 X 8 = 26.40) You can't afford to play even one more $3.30 tournament because you're too close to going broke.

It doesn't take a lot of shots at a higher level to blast through your bankroll. Don't move up if you can't afford it.


2. You need to get used to all kinds of players.

It's a running joke on these forums that you should move up to where they respect your raises. What's really going to happen is that you will be up against good players before you're ready.

Q. What kind of players will you meet if you're playing the WSOP Main Event?

A. Every kind. There will be dangerous pros. There will also be players who are clueless but they are playing anyway because the Main Event is on their bucket list.

If you avoid certain types of players now, you won't know what to do when you have to play against them later.


3. You need to understand how variance works in poker.

In January 1, 2017 I took $40 that had been sitting on a poker site for two years and I decided to grind it up to $500 by the end of the year. It took me more than 450 MTTs (SNGs don't run on that site) most of them $1 tournaments, to do it. I always had 100 buy-ins. I did everything the right way. I wound up with $480 in my account at the end of the year. Even so, during that year there were three calendar months when I lost money.

You need to understand that you're not going to make money every day, or every week, or even every month. It doesn't work that way. You have to think about the long term, something like how you might do after 500 tournaments (at least) or in one year. You can not care about how you do in a short period of time.**

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*https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWwOJlOI1nU

**https://www.cardschat.com/poker-variance.php
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