i just dont want to go busto haha
and as you all say bankroll management is the most important factor, i really dont want to make mistakes here

Thank god you can't buy in for 10 big blinds--20 is even too damn short!

Great post!
Especially I like the advice not to play cash games on FTP lower than 25NL.

In this situation, say $50, would you suggest running micro-ring tables, or multi-tabling $3.25 6-max SNG's?

Do you think the SNG's would build up a small roll any faster?

You're the man Doug. I am finally becoming a winning player and I owe it all to you. Over the past 4 years I'm guessing I have deposited $50 about 30 times, ran it up a bit, then blew it each and every time by playing with my whole roll on the table.

I have finally realised how important a bankroll is thanks to you, so I deposited $10 on Stars 2 days ago and I am going to stick to strict bankroll rules (30 buy in rule for NLHE). In 2 days I have grinded it up to ~$30 and feel good about poker for the first time in forever.

You also gave me the courage to try 20 tabling, and I have found it a lot easier then I expected.

Thanks mate, you're a gem!

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Question asked like everyday, twice a day.

Nice post again Dougy doug.

doug would suggest cashing out regularly if youre still playing say 25nl? I play in small site and only able to play 2-3 table at a time(low player base). I dont intend to move up until i have done my prerequisite hand (25k). Im more than willing to move down if i go on a major swong.

Alot of great points here, Im glad someone is sharing their experiences, which are generally similiar to mine regarding sit-n-gos and tourneys.

WCGRider,

I deposited $40 into Stars to start grinding at 1/2c. I've got a decent winrate, but to step up I would have need to built a bankroll of $10 x buyings. Which, based on my experience with 1/2c would take a very very long time to build. The games are very very tight but more importantly the pots are just ridiculous small. I've dabbed into 2/5c and the games are a lot loser and predictable with decent sized pots. I've turned the $40 into $60 in a month so far in 1/2c, but $60 isn't enough to move up as you know.

If I can afford to deposit +$230 and move into 2/5c - do you think this is acceptable?

Or is it wise to continue to grinding 1/2c until I hit $300?

I've played in Party and FTP in Micro for a year now, but I didn't have any bankroll management. Both of them (specially party) have a bit of money in there ~$80. But I took your advice in another thread you made to start in Pokerstars if your wanting to Grind at Micro.

Ehm you can play 5nl with a $100-200 roll, just buy-in for $5. Drop down if you lose much of it.

My cleaned up simpler version

This is my first time on any forum ever so i hope Im posting my question right. what would be the best site to play poker on to get good experience and build a good bank roll? Or should I even register on a pay site if Im just starting out playing on-line? Should i find a free site to play on first to get the feel of playing om-line?

I'd deposit $50 (to activate the full bonus of PokerStars) and start playing 2nl ($0.01/$0.02), read the forums, they help.

Also consider looking into Poker Tracker, it's got a freetrial, but you might want to play some before you try that out.

It's not a tough decision to play on a site for free. All sites have free play money games. Just download the software and play some free money games if you want to check it out. You can always deposit later. However, if a site offers rakeback, like Full Tilt, make an account through an affiliate so you can receive rakeback when you start playing for real money.

Good luck on the felt!

I have seen this question asked before but never really got a straight answer. when you guys multi table are you just playing "top ten" or "premium hands"? Are you just using stats to make your decisions? I notice when i play one table i can pay more attention and take notes on players. Can you possibly take notes on players when you have 4-6 tables at once going? Is it better to multi or go higher buy for cash and tourneys and play just one table?

Drop whenever the BR has less than 20 BI?

You mean drop whenever the BR has 10 BI at your level or 20 BI of the level below you, right?

I've played 23/18 on up to 13 tables without too much of a problem. It gets a little hectic at times and you risk missing out on little things like more optimal bet sizes and not raising any 2 in the SB vs. a 10/8 nit in the BB every time like you should be or something.

Another obvious downside is yes...note taking is more difficult as you add more tables. I'm not a great notetaker but I've found that I rarely use them. You'll generally have a good memory against the fish(ies) because you will play every other pot you play vs. him.

I wouldn't jump into a million tables at once but slowly work up to 4 or so and try to play your best on every table

Pretty sure he means 20 for the level you wish to play.. If a shot is not going well at first it can be devastating to lose half of your bankroll so I always thought move down at 10 for the new level was dumb. For the micros I would take smaller shots till it sticks(you run well and play well and have well over 20 buyins)

Plus it's not like moving up or back down is a huge deal. Each level is slightly better than the one before and table selection becomes more important but still plenty of bad players to exploit

Thanks for reply Bobboufl11. But Im still little unclear what the muti-tablers do more playing good cards, (i.e premium hands) or playing on the stats of your opponents?

Depends what limits you're at, when you're at 2nl/5nl it's good to just play monsters. Once you start multitabling higher you'll have to play partially base on stats. (On reads position and hand strength as well)

I wouldn't jump right into playing 10 tables though. I would start with 2, then go to 3, then 4. Some people suggest never going above 4. It allows you to make better reads.

You make your money from being better than your opponents. If you're a 5ptBB/100 winner on 2 tables with a bit of practice you can probably be a 4ptBB/100 winner on 4 tables without improving at all. The more tables you play the more you have to go with stats and instincts vs. specific notes.

There are some multitabling nits who make very little money(but a ton in rakeback) by playing only very good cards. This stunts your growth as a player however and it is unlikely you'll beat past 100NL even for a small amount with this strategy.

However specifically a lot of your edge as a TAG comes from playing better cards than the fish who play way too many. This doesn't mean you have to sit back and wait for aces though

Also on the subject on rakeback. Is it worth it at a micro-ish level like mine? And since i already made an account on PS and FT would I have to make new accounts to get a RB? And does anyone like one particular RB site more than another?

PS doesn't have rakeback, and if you're hooked with an affiliate on FTP you can't get rakeback there either, but it's definitely worth getting if you can get it. Try emailing FTP.

Thanks Cruz. Maybe just easier to make a new account on FT? Since I didnt get much of a bonus on this account anyway. I get pwned when i play cash on FT. I like to wonky tourneys sometimes for fun though daily doubles etc. Ill be trying some low limit satellites for the big sunday tournament on PS. since Im actually going to be off this week. Any suggestions? Also I have about 1200 FPP. And 300 on FT.

Don't make a new account. FT will close it. Do you already have an affiliate? If not, just email FT support and ask for rakeback with rakebackpros.

There are other sites where you can get rakeback if you can't at FT. Not worth possibly getting banned, imo.