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Originally Posted by WCGRider
gedanken you are wrong, and Have an incorrect attitude towards the way to play poker.
You have the "omg they actually are never going to fold, anything ever!", this is simply not true. People fold a lot! The J8 is a PERFECT example! They miss so many flops, your opponent is not going to call you down on a AK5 flop when you cbet, they are pretty crazy but no MO****ING ******ed. Just stop arguing, you are wrong. There is a reason why all good players play aggressive. And If you play like this you can value bet mega sick if they call with actually anything. Turn down the Cbet Frequency on bad boards if they seriously call with absolutely ATC but that is just not true.
I'm not "wrong", that's absurd to say about NL holdem playing styles, especially preflop. I have a different point of view, and a I'm partly just playing devils advocate here, as I tried to make clear. Maybe I'm overstating my case a little -- I think you're misreading me somewhat. I certainly am not advocating a lack of aggression. Good things happen when you bet! There are limits, though.
Much of the advice given about uNL sounds like this: don't bluff, value bet strongly, believe bets. That's not at all inconsistent with what I'm talking about.
There's the concept of longball vs smallball. Smallball is good poker at high stakes: showing down good hands, stealing, challenging opponents when you have a good read, and winning lots of pots is steadily profitable. Getting that good read and stealing pots at .02NL is much harder, you have to agree with me, yes?
Meanwhile, the longball approach of playing for monsters finds excellent conditions at a nanostakes table: the chance to draw cheap and get paid big.
There is a huge distinction to be made for the beginners here: playing 40/5 will not make you profitable! playing smart, tough 20/18 is a big improvement from the way most beginners play. I'm talking about maximizing your profits at the conditions you find at .02/.05, 200bb deep. Limping and calling too much will put you in tough situations and you'll have to play good poker to pull it off, but I suspect that this can be MORE profitable than the TAG strategy you'd want to use at a $1/$2 table full of aggressive opponents.
And don't think I'm going to stop arguing just because you tell me to