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Originally Posted by mattjacknine
At what stack size of opponent who pushes pre-flop is it a mistake to fold to after three betting?
It depends on the ranges and pot odds.
If someone shoves on you and the pot lays 2:1 on a call, and your hand has 33.3% equity against villain's range, it's a breakeven call (in ChipEV terms at least). If villain's jamming range is AA only and you get those same 2:1 odds, you should fold kings.
I'd recommend you literally do the maths for a few typical spots. See how much equity you need to break even if villain minraises, you make it 6bb and he jams 18bb or 20bb or whatever. (Remember to include blinds and antes for the pot odds). When you've done the pot odds math, you can compare equities of hands vs ranges to see which hands can or can't 3-bet/call off at various stack depths.
FWIW, I 4-bet/fold with over 30% of my money in the middle in cash games fairly often. I don't feel "committed", because when I make the 4-bet, I already know I'm folding to a 5-bet.
In a tournament setting, you can probably still have a 3-bet/folding range (i.e. a "bluffing range") at 15bb deep in theory, and definitely at 20bb, but in microstakes games it's inadvisable to bloat the pot pre-flop with <20bb if you don't want to play for stacks.
In short, if getting jammed on will put you in a spot where you suddenly have to do some pot odds math and you're not sure if you're getting the right price, it's often a sign that you shouldn't have 3-bet in the first place. Try to avoid situations where the pot will lay odds that mean it's mathematically correct to call, but you really don't want to (because you know you're getting stacked the majority of the time).