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Old 07-01-2018, 03:12 AM   #1
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What percentage of your bank roll should you play with?

What percentage of your bank roll should you play in one cash game? I understand that you need at least 50 big blinds approximately , however say your bank roll is significantly more than this. I can't imagine sitting down and playing with your entire bankroll. So how much should you play with?
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Old 07-01-2018, 03:45 AM   #2
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Re: What percentage of your bank roll should you play with?

I think it depends on your skill and tillt level. I use around 40 bi rule.
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Old 07-01-2018, 04:43 AM   #3
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Re: What percentage of your bank roll should you play with?

2% (or bankroll management of 50 buy ins) would be considered standard, can go a bit higher or lower depending on personal preferences
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Old 07-01-2018, 06:24 AM   #4
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Re: What percentage of your bank roll should you play with?

Generally speaking, I don't feel comfortable if I have more than 5% of my "roll" in play, so if I'm playing cashgames, I like to have at least 20 buyins for that limit. I'm more more relaxed if I have 50.

If you're a beginner or casual player with another source of income, you don't really need a bankroll as such. You just need a "budget" and the discipline to stick with it. e.g. If you play occasional Friday night live games of 1/2, just take $400, or however much you can afford to lose on a given night, and don't go to the cash machine if you go busto.
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Old 07-01-2018, 09:41 AM   #5
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Re: What percentage of your bank roll should you play with?

Yes, Most players simply need a poker hobby budget. If you are making a living or trying to make a living ( more likely) at poker , then BR management becomes very important. Putting anything near 10% of your roll into a game is a very agressive move in most circumstances IMHO.
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Old 07-01-2018, 09:45 AM   #6
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Re: What percentage of your bank roll should you play with?

About 3,50%.
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Old 07-01-2018, 01:24 PM   #7
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Re: What percentage of your bank roll should you play with?

Anywhere from a single buy in (100%), if you are a recreational player with an alternative source of income (one of these so called "jobs"), to 500 buy ins (.2%), if you are a risk averse professional, or an agent of a massive staking company.

In general professionals need more buyins than semi professionals who need more buy ins than recreational players. And it is prudent to have more restrictive bankroll management as you move up, as the money you have is more worth protecting / harder to replace and you can expect a smaller winrate as well meaning that your downswings should be sharper.

It also depends on how you define the term bankroll. Do you mean your networth, or a fixed % of it? In the latter case you can be more aggressive in terms of number of buyins you have than in the former.
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Old 07-01-2018, 09:46 PM   #8
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Re: What percentage of your bank roll should you play with?

Thanks everyone. I had searched on the net for an answer but came up with nothing.
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Old 07-01-2018, 10:09 PM   #9
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Re: What percentage of your bank roll should you play with?

This isn't a direct answer to the question in the OP, but I think it's related:

I've always been of the opinion that if you buy into a no-limit hold'em game, you need to stand in front of a mirror, hold up two buyins, say to yourself, "I don't give a rat's left front tooth if I ever see this money again" and see if you believe yourself. If you don't believe yourself, you won't be able to play optimal poker.

Say, for an extreme example, someone decides they want to take up live $1/$2NLHE as a hobby, creates a separate bank account, and deposits $10,000 in it. Going all-in for $200 will feel like removing a grain of sand from a beach. If a person, even a beginner, truly puts in the effort to actually learn how to play, keep records of their sessions, ONLY plays $1/$2 with MAYBE an occasional foray to $1/$3, maybe even hire a coach yada yada yada, it's next to impossible to burn through $10,000.

Now let's contrast that with someone who just says, "I'm gonna take $400 to the casino, and when it's gone, I'm done". Is that person really going to feel like that $400 is truly disposable? Maybe. I don't know. I don't think *I* could.

As other posters have said, if you don't have the discipline to stop after you go busto, making a bankroll or a budget is a waste of time.

Hope that made sense
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Old 07-02-2018, 12:45 AM   #10
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Re: What percentage of your bank roll should you play with?

Thanks DTXCF.
I think I got the answer. Whatever amount I'm happy never to see again. This is probably 2% of my bankroll in one cash game.
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Old 07-03-2018, 07:04 PM   #11
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Re: What percentage of your bank roll should you play with?

It depends on many variables which make the answer unique to the individual.

Anyone who gives you a fixed number doesn't understand the problem. There is no "standard" adequate number of buy-ins.

For a recreational player, I like DTXCF's answer. For a professional, it depends on your win-rate, standard deviation, living expenses, additional income you may have, planned volume, risk of missing volume, personal risk tolerance and probably a few other factors I don't have at the top of my head.
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Old 07-03-2018, 07:11 PM   #12
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Re: What percentage of your bank roll should you play with?

If you bink $100k in a mtt so have 50 buyins for 10/20 does that mean you are rolled for that? Of course not, a big part of poker is knowing your current skill level regardless of your bankroll. Play what you can beat until your skill improves to beat the next level regardless of bankroll.
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Old 07-05-2018, 02:34 PM   #13
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Re: What percentage of your bank roll should you play with?

I enjoy playing hyper-turbo HU sngs. I generally play so I have 40-50 buyins. Most professionals would (definitely) consider this improper, but its a dramatic improvement from what my BRM used to be. I'll generally play 4 at a time, goal is to win 3/4 but settle for 2/2 to collect rake. If I go on a losing streak ill take a breather then come back to lower stakes. Luckily I've never lost 40-50 more games than I've won in a single session. But if you do, just go to the beach and leave your laptop at home.

This is a much different approach to playing a MTT for me. If I have 3k in my account, Ill still play the $200 sunday 100k, but if you're grinding tables or SNG's and repeatedly hitting that 'rematch' button, a little more backup is required.

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Old 07-06-2018, 02:48 AM   #14
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Re: What percentage of your bank roll should you play with?

its much more important to only play in games where you can tell you have the best of it. and not be deceiving yourself so you can play.
if you play in games like that you will certainly build your net worth unless you go bananas.

if you play in games without the best of it. no bankroll is sufficient as it will disappear at some point if you play enough.
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Old 07-06-2018, 02:41 PM   #15
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Re: What percentage of your bank roll should you play with?

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I enjoy playing hyper-turbo HU sngs. I generally play so I have 40-50 buyins. Most professionals would (definitely) consider this improper, but its a dramatic improvement from what my BRM used to be. I'll generally play 4 at a time, goal is to win 3/4 but settle for 2/2 to collect rake. If I go on a losing streak ill take a breather then come back to lower stakes. Luckily I've never lost 40-50 more games than I've won in a single session. But if you do, just go to the beach and leave your laptop at home.
40-50 BI seems fine for that format, actually, as long as you have the ability to move down in a downswing. That format is the lowest variance form of poker. IDK what a typical ROI is, though.
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Old 07-08-2018, 10:30 PM   #16
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Re: What percentage of your bank roll should you play with?

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If you bink $100k in a mtt so have 50 buyins for 10/20 does that mean you are rolled for that? Of course not, a big part of poker is knowing your current skill level regardless of your bankroll. Play what you can beat until your skill improves to beat the next level regardless of bankroll.
I should start this by saying that I have ADD and it's very easy for me to get lazy, disorganized or distracted. If some of what I'm about to say seems a bit over the top, that's why. I need to keep things under control. That said, IMO it's always good to know exactly where you stand in your poker endeavors.

I have separate bankrolls for live and online. I play only tournaments, but if I played both tournaments and cash those would be separate bankrolls as well. I don't like the idea of using tournament winnings to finance cash games. It's messy. You're going to be better or make more money with one than the other, and keeping bankrolls separate gives you a clear picture of that.

I keep very good records, not just for the IRS, but so that I'm honest with myself. I track my poker time, in quarter hours, and divide it by play, study and administrative time. If I'm not putting enough hours in, that's a problem. If study is less than 25% of my time, that's a problem and those problems need to be addressed.
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