I've started analyzing my play a bit, shockingly after 80K hands I do not show any profit with JJ. Lost 2 buyins with it.

You aren't analysing your hands, you are moaning about results. I haven't seen you post one bit of analysis.

From your very first post ITT thread

Online NLHE...For an average grinder, yes definitely. Maybe Covid extended it a bit...maybe fish-infested Apps extended it a bit (if you willing to risk playing on them).

To win decent, you gotta be a dedicated, mentally strong, solver-proficient outlier.

Which I'm not, your not and most of the people on here are not.

Find a level, game, site that you can beat (or b/e) and play for fun.

Or play live.

GL

Thanks for your feedback. Yeah, hand one is a cooler, confirmed by the solver thank goodness.

Hand #2: a huge blunder

Hand #3: solver also checks, I don't want to get c/r on this turn card. I feel super proud that I checked just by intuition. Also, yes, why is everyone finding it so weird that I find it weird (to say the least) that he didn't c/r river? It's not normal to not c/r the river there. NO HUMAN in the world plays like this. It's just a bot. Actually, astonishingly the solver just c/c, c/r all in is also a line but it has less EV than to just c/c. This is the biggest prove in the world that it's a bot. Why is everyone acting like this c/c is human and normal? Please stop

I've analysed my last session with a solver. It's ridiculous. I was suspecting I knew nothing when it comes to poker but now I'm actually afraid to play. It tells me to call in spots I would fold 100% and also to do other surprising things. I'm seriously afraid to play cause I'm totally off and feel insecure in a bunch of spots now. Somehow I feel if I start playing like it I'll lose my roll in 3 days. Jees

The funny thing is I couldn't imagine that looking at things in a solver would be so much fun. It's in a way even more fun than playing, I cannot even stop. Over the course of the years when I was playing I had so many spots I had no clue what to do, the only thing is that this solver thing might not be applicable to all kinds of games and actually might be -EV for some of them.

The more I'm spending time in the solver the more I'm finding lines the bots are taking, the play exactly as the solver which sometimes looks really weird for a human, so I'm sorry but partypoker fast forward has a bunch of bots no doubt about it.

They have to be bots because they solved a couple pretty common spots and memorized what to do?

The line of 3bet BB pre, bet flop, bet turn, c/f river stopped working on midstakes 10 years ago because people figured out how easy it is to exploit. Years before solvers came around. Hard to believe you managed to beat NL200 by doing that stuff.

Man, it's not only this, it's the timings and a bunch of other stuff like not c/r river with K high flush. Please, stop acting like I'm an idiot or I start getting an impression that some people on this forum are actually running them. I get it, people study with solvers now and play like solvers in a bunch of spots. Ok

Regarding the four hands you just posted:

TT: Pre/flop/turn all fine. River is probably good to fold TT specifically because having blockers to JT/QT is really bad for us.
AK: do a fair bit of checking on the flop, rest looks fine though I might size up turn a bit
AK: basically the same hand as above, river is closer to a call vs CO
AK: don't think we can fold river here unless we're exploiting something specific, we're pretty much slap bang at the top of our checking range and don't block any bluffs unless villain is getting creative with AT/A6.

People don't xr rivers with K hi flushes because they're nits, not because they're running solvers normally. Quite unusual to find spots in which solvers aren't raising the second nuts as well so I'd be interested in that HH.

I'll also note you need to be careful with your solver inputs.

Thanks man, very helpful!

I've been looking at these hands in solvers and interestingly TT seems to be a call on the river whereas AA is a flip between calling and folding. I really don't understand why. Must have something to do with blockers but what exactly, I can't figure it out. Actually the solver plays TT very aggressively in this spot, betting the flop and c/raising flop or turn. It's the contrary to what I would've imagined.

Hand #3 is misplayed and seems to always be a call but if you ask me, I just can't understand what in the world is he betting there with? He is happy to check back everything that is beaten by a King and he bets all twopairs+, I dunno it seems like a clear call and that's what a solver suggest but I just can't understand how I can be good there. Why would he turn something into a bluff instead of just checking back?

The worst thing about this thread is you have concluded bots are cheating and that's why you're getting beat but you still think you can beat it.

You're clicking buttons without an understanding. Which tbf is what I do but you seem to be doing it worse.

If I make a PG&C thread will you post stat to help me? Or do I need to claim rigged?

If you made that study group pm me an inv?

I dunno what you mean. I don't think I'm playing vs bots right now as I've mentioned. In the beginning I had a clear impression I was playing vs a bunch of bots, within 2 days of me creating this thread all accouns I marked as bots stopped playing. Yeah, interesting coincidence. I definitely do not think that I'm getting beat because there are only bots there, I'm sure there are some bots even right now but that's not the reason just to clarify. I'm playing worse than other regs there so that's the reason no illusions.

That's somewhat good, but you thinking you are the reason all the bots stopped is a little bit of a complex. Definitely going in the right direction.

If PP is that bad why not just play on stars btw? Games suck but they don't seem bot infested.

I just find it a bit peculiar that they all stopped playing, I dunno but I don't think too much into it, so no worries. There are clearly very bad players even there as I have example of ridiculously bad play. I'm sure a very good player would eat this pool for breakfast, absolutely no doubt about it. There are some people who are beating it 10bb+ which is sky for me :-D

Dunno, not quite ready to give up yet. Although I've found evidence from very competent regs that fast forward on party is tougher than on stars. So leaving it for good is a good idea but again I'm so used to be playing with some kind of rakeback with my marginal winning style (used to be a winning style :-D), I'd probably get crushed everywhere where there is none, so dunno tbh.

we could be playing at different times of day, but i have 100k+ hands of 25ff (having recently moved over from regular tables) and i dont recognise your description of pool tendencies at all. majority of regs i encounter are playing non-rake adjusted snowie preflop ranges combined with a passive/unbalanced postflop style. unless and until you have more evidence to back up your claims there's no reason for anyone to take them seriously, including the suggestion that the "bots" in question decided to stop playing in response to you making this thread.

the pool tendencies at party are a reflection of the rb environment + unless you're consistently putting in a large volume of hands with affiliate rb on top you're probably better off on another site

Can you post the parameters of your sim for the TT hand? I don't understand what benefits calling TT has over calling AA given nearly all AA which would bluff the river either improves on the river or folds turn. Exceptions might be A8 (which is a weiiiird bluff to pick IMO).

H3 villain can find bluffs without too much difficulty from combos of 22, 55, KJhh KThh JThh 76hh 75hh given his value range is not a huge number of combos.

I'll post in a PGC, PM me because I don't look in PGC often

Study group is still at the intention stage, work's been bonkers for a few weeks (unsurprisingly demand for employment lawyers is quite high right now)