Playing 1/2NL 4 handed

Opn up UTG with pocket K's for 10
Btn calls, SB calls, BB re raises to 42 (only has another 40 behind)
We decide to flat, Btn fold, SB calls

Flop came 972
SB checks, BB shoves remaining stack, we decide to just call again
SB re raises to 125, We shove for about 550
SB shows pocket 9's, we run it twice and I lose both times.
BB also shows pocket Q's

Thoughts on my shove ?

What is SB's stack, if we're not stupidly deep this is a trivial 4b pre given the reraisers stack

Edit - lol I just saw it's only 4 handed, just get it in pre, and tell us why you decide just to call pre and on the flop, you give zero reasoning

I think he didn't reraise pre because BB had only 40 more and he didn't want to telegraph his hand and fold out the other two guys. Not saying calling is best here 300BB deep, but it's certainly an option.

One pretty important fact that's missing is if you have the king of diamonds or not. Do you see why?

(and obv. if you think SB is a total spewtard. If not, it might be hard to get in 300BB against a weaker overpair)

Why is this spot "Very Sick"?

I think 'sick' in this case means 'standard'

I don't think getting it in for 300BB total is standard in most low stakes live games, even 4-handed.

The reason why good players make easy money in shorthanded live games is the fact that lots of players with a basic understanding of 9-handed poker aren't able to adjust accordingly.

So yes, in an aggro 4-handed game, the hand is pretty standard. If we hold the K, assume SB is a solid player who would have squeezed QQ/JJ/AQ preflop, we have to start wondering what hands he's gonna call off with. He has to put in >200BB after we ship it, not sure how happy we are if he does.

I wrote this about 30 minutes after my session, had lost 500bb with quad 9's to a straight flush to the same villain, I refer to it as sick because he crushed me twice in less than 3 hours. So I was a little tilted.

We do not hold the K that gives SB even more hands to put in a raise even though we block K's. I would classify Villian as an aggro pot and could easily try to push me off the pot with TT/JJ/QQ but an AQ holding is just as likely.


I flat pre to disguise my hand, the table had just become short, I was leaving literally after this hand and wanted to get max value, I know generally you shouldn't be slow playing KK's but it was 4 handed and I fancied the flat in this spot.

Villain had us covered, I decide to flat the all in on the flop, because villain will continue with his entire range here, the reason I shove over his re raise is to push him off all diamond holdings, I don't want to call another 62bb for a diamond to hit the turn and or river and we get in a tougher spot with a 255bb pot.

Dry side pot.

Unless sb is a fool he is never ever bluffing here.

Look at it from his perspective. You raise UTG (granted its 4 handed) he calls and BB commits 1/2 of his stack. UTG then flats here. He is prolly fairly certain he is behind everyone with his holdings and will need to spike. When he raises the flop after BB sticks in his remaining stack and UTG calls he has a real hand. This makes your shove terrible


Edit - think of ranges here for a second

what kind of range does BB have to commit 1/2 of his stack pre
What is UTG's range to open and then flat BB's squeeze for 1/2 of BB's stack
what is SB's range here ?

Not only is he raising into a dry sidepot where BB already showed he had a hand, he also gives up his chance to close the action and call with his draws for >5:1.

Give stack sizes and reads next time; also don't give results since it skews answers.

I'd rather raise than flat pre, I don't hate flatting this deep though.

Post, I can probably fold here, depends on the player though.

Hero/SB: $592ish = 296BB
BB: $82 = 41BB

Yeah I can work that out but it's better to state them explicitly. Also we don't know if SB covers or not, though I'm guessing yes.

Just 4bet preflop, you're giving the button 3,2:1 to call in position and this deep that is not a good situation.

As played SB just be bluffing when he checkraises into a dry sidepot. He also doesn't have jacks or something like that. Basically the weakest hand he will be doing this with is AdXd T8dd which you are still only flipping against, if he has you beat you are drawing very thin. Given pot odds you might be able to call once on the flop but shoving is the absolute worst.