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Using a 3bet or fold strategy Using a 3bet or fold strategy

06-14-2019 , 05:24 AM
Since the start of this month ive played around 40k hands of 2nlz on stars, and tracking everything with the PT4 trial. I noticed that i'm losing money with every hand I cold call RFI's with, and winning with every hand i 3bet with. So now I'm thinking of using a 3bet or fold strategy like this: https://www.runitonce.com/nlhe/pre-f...r-fold-ranges/

In the comments on this thread the OP reffered to cbetting 100% with a 1/3 size. So to me this feels like a good general gameplan to follow.

Has anyone on these forums used a strategy like this at the micros, and if so, would they recommend it?
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06-14-2019 , 08:11 AM
If you lose money with every hand you cold call with at NL2, you’re doing something horribly wrong. Maybe you’re already 3betting pretty wide and cold call only trash?

That said, in a Zoom pool where nobody really knows what you’re doing, I am pretty sure that strategy can work. As soon as a player knows what you’re doing and the effective stacks differ from 100BB (especially <50BB & >200BB) you’re going to get exploited badly though unless you are willing to change strategy.
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06-14-2019 , 08:46 AM
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Originally Posted by madlex
If you lose money with every hand you cold call with at NL2, you’re doing something horribly wrong. Maybe you’re already 3betting pretty wide and cold call only trash?

That said, in a Zoom pool where nobody really knows what you’re doing, I am pretty sure that strategy can work. As soon as a player knows what you’re doing and the effective stacks differ from 100BB (especially <50BB & >200BB) you’re going to get exploited badly though unless you are willing to change strategy.
Yes. I mainly call pocket pairs 55-99 and i feel like im terrible at them postflop. Im just way too uncomfortable playing pocket pairs in general. When i just call opens preflop im very often folding flop or just get barreled and fold turn. With initiative im always unsure wether or not i should cbet a board and just get probed off the hand. Example i open 66 from CO, BB calls, flop Q23r, bb checks (i have no idea if i should cbet or not) so i just check, turn offsuit 8, bb probes 3/4, (i have no idea what to do once again), so i fold. And this is how most my pots go and i dont know what to do different..

I think i do 3bet wider than average 2nlz er. Example button vs utg open i 3bet TT+, AK, AQ, KQ, ATs+, A2s-A5s.

Id cold call button vs utg opener with like 55-99, JTs,QTs,KTs, QJs,KJs.

With these non pocket pairs cold call i usually just flop nothing and fold to a cbet, or hit tp decent kicker and get barreled off anyway.

Last edited by Tightnitreg1; 06-14-2019 at 09:13 AM.
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06-14-2019 , 09:36 AM
With raising 22-99 im up $15.18
With calling 22-99 im down $11.17

With raising JTs,QTs,KTs, QJs,KJs im up $3.47
With calling JTs,QTs,KTs, QJs,KJs im down $5.80

Obviously these rates are easily affected by coolers but im sure im doing something wrong.
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06-14-2019 , 05:51 PM
Except for in the BB, very few hands break even as cold-calls pre, so you mostly want to 3-bet or fold in MP-SB. The medium/smaller pairs usually do make more money as calls than 3-bets, but your results will be significantly impacted by variance. (Hitting sets and getting paid off). If you're set-mining, then you should rarely go beyond the flop if you miss. Hands like 88-66 will make money as cold-calls in the long run though. It's just the weaker stuff that's very meh.
C-betting 100% for a small size in position is a strat that apparently works well even up to 500NL.
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06-15-2019 , 02:50 AM
Should i cbet literally every board, like 462r with AK, for the purpose of balancing or are there other advantages to cbetting this? No better hand is folding, right?
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06-20-2019 , 05:51 AM
yes 3betting broadway instead of calling, in order to cap their range works very well. I would still advocate calling with pocketpairs to set mine, rather than bloat the pot and risk getting blown off of it for no real reason.

if the guy is SUPER tight there is really no reason to 3b him in the first place, nor would i recommend calling with dominated hands like KJ i would just fold to an uber nit with broadway, and instead be calling with all pp/sc/sg trying to bink something vs his AA.

I can honestly tell you that, this strategy is a lot easier than ccing stuff, bkuz it plays much more straightforwardly post flop. it can be profitable, but, if you call you have to know when to let it go, which takes a lot more post flop experience than just capping his range and mindlessly cbetting on any decent flop.
and yes the 1/3 flop cb is going to work OK, but its pretty stupid to do it 100% of the time vs anyone with half a brain, i would at least pick flops that you have g.s + or o.c +
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06-20-2019 , 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by ramonnieflex
Should i cbet literally every board, like 462r with AK, for the purpose of balancing or are there other advantages to cbetting this? No better hand is folding, right?
It's not "for the purpose of balancing". You might choose to use that strategy simply because it both makes your strategy easy to remember (you can play on auto-pilot) and because most of your opponents won't be able to exploit it.
i.e. If villains aren't check-raising enough, then you can fully realize your equity (even with junk hands) by c-betting the flop and then checking back the turn to get a free river.
I was never a user of the high frequency c-bet strat myself, but I believe it works quite well.
Remember it only works when you're IP. If you're OOP, your c-bet frequency should be much lower, and you should do a lot of check-folding if you don't have much hand equity.
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06-21-2019 , 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by ArtyMcFly
Except for in the BB, very few hands break even as cold-calls pre, so you mostly want to 3-bet or fold in MP-SB.
Is it worth in your opinion the hassle of using a mixed strategy of 3betting/flatting some combos at some frequencies, maybe using a randomizer? or the EV is similar if we just go for the 3bet all the time and forget about a flatting range.
Not talking about PPs, more like suited BWs and connectors.
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