I decided to take a shot at 10NL for fun. After 750 hands I ended up winning about 2$ but it could've been more. These are two of the three biggest losing hands, the biggest hand was a flip where I had about 47% equity.
Was it bad play or bad luck? I was shortstacking on both tables opponents are run of the mill as far a i know with the 100 or so hands I played them, nothing fancy. K8 hand Villain was a little loosey goosey and shoved AQs pre on another table, but besides that he was quite solid.
I am perfectly fine with my overall play. I feel like I got ul in these spots, but you guys be the judge. They were the difference between a 2$ and 12$ session profit tho They were early on too, so I spent most of the session clawing back from these losses.
Rip your $8 OP
Sorry that this happened to you.
Hope you overcome this crushing blow
10$ and not sure if I can. I've been on suicide watch all morning
That's like 1 cappuccino and 2 cheese croissants at the local café. An irrecoverable loss surely. The pokersite must be rigged. No other way.
Seriously tho, how was my play? For me these are serious decisions I had to make, if you're more experienced. Good for you. Then these might be insta calls or folds. To me they are not. I wanna know if I played this properly. I am asking to be given advice, not to be patronized on my inexperience or the stakes I play.
The KK is probably a fold to the check-jam on the turn. It's possible that villain is just going a bit crazy with a combo like JThh (pr+gutter+FD) or A8hh (double gutter+NFD+overcard), but it's generally a good idea to give a lot of respect to turn check-raises, especially when they come from passive limpers. Villain is rarely bluffing and one pair no draw doesn't do well against a typical stack-off range.
I usually check back K8s on the flop (KT or K9s with a BDFD is probably the bottom of my value range), but betting is OK. If I bet flop, I go smaller, and then I'd usually go much bigger on the turn with TPTK+ (and some combo draws). Obviously call the minraise, but I'd be cautious on several rivers. That particular river is kind of good for you, as trips+ is unlikely due to card removal effects (and KK/QQ are most unlikely), but KQ is definitely in villain's range, as are a couple of combos of 77/88. (87o and K7s might be in villain's range too). When taking shots, I tend to shy away from calling shoves until I have better reads or know more about how the population plays.
The KK is probably a fold to the check-jam on the turn. It's possible that villain is just going a bit crazy with a combo like JThh (pr+gutter+FD) or A8hh (double gutter+NFD+overcard), but it's generally a good idea to give a lot of respect to turn check-raises, especially when they come from passive limpers. Villain is rarely bluffing and one pair no draw doesn't do well against a typical stack-off range.
I usually check back K8s on the flop (KT or K9s with a BDFD is probably the bottom of my value range), but betting is OK. If I bet flop, I go smaller, and then I'd usually go much bigger on the turn with TPTK+ (and some combo draws). Obviously call the minraise, but I'd be cautious on several rivers. That particular river is kind of good for you, as trips+ is unlikely due to card removal effects (and KK/QQ are most unlikely), but KQ is definitely in villain's range, as are a couple of combos of 77/88. (87o and K7s might be in villain's range too). When taking shots, I tend to shy away from calling shoves until I have better reads or know more about how the population plays.
I tried to play it the same way I would play if I was playing 2NL. PP allows you to display the hands in BB rather than money, which has helped me so much. I am not playing it any differently now whether I have 1$ or 20$ in front of me, it's all about the BB. It also puts it into perspective, losing or winning 20BB now has an impact on me regardless of stake.
You convinced me that calling with KK might not have been the play there. Worst part was that during play I thought he had a suited connector equilabing this against suited connectors, I am still not doing too well. Tough spot for me. I am giving my opponents more respect now, but I gotta play another 100 or so hands with spot before I can handle it.
Do you shortstack normally? It doesn't make a lot of sense to shot take playing a style you're not used to, at least to me.
I have played most of my hands shortstacking. The way I use my bankroll is that I allow myself to buy in full for games where I have 20BI. When I don't I shortstack, so most of the hands I've played, I've played as a short stack.
Makes decisions easier and bluffs more awkward for my opponents besides, making it easier for me to get paid off. If I raise to 4BB pre. Bet 6BB on the flop and 12 on the turn, my stack is already in the middle by the river.
The KK is probably a fold to the check-jam on the turn. It's possible that villain is just going a bit crazy with a combo like JThh (pr+gutter+FD) or A8hh (double gutter+NFD+overcard), but it's generally a good idea to give a lot of respect to turn check-raises, especially when they come from passive limpers. Villain is rarely bluffing and one pair no draw doesn't do well against a typical stack-off range.
I usually check back K8s on the flop (KT or K9s with a BDFD is probably the bottom of my value range), but betting is OK. If I bet flop, I go smaller, and then I'd usually go much bigger on the turn with TPTK+ (and some combo draws). Obviously call the minraise, but I'd be cautious on several rivers. That particular river is kind of good for you, as trips+ is unlikely due to card removal effects (and KK/QQ are most unlikely), but KQ is definitely in villain's range, as are a couple of combos of 77/88. (87o and K7s might be in villain's range too). When taking shots, I tend to shy away from calling shoves until I have better reads or know more about how the population plays.
I agree with K8, but KK the villain doesn’t check/jam but shoves IP after hero bets. Problem with bet/folding for a little under half pot is that hero gets 3:1 on a call. Villain can do that “for value” with several hands that improved on the turn like JT or Jx with another overcard that floated the flop.
Against an opponent on the passive side, and we should assume that after he limp/called from the CO pre, I think we should put ourselves in an easier spot by either betting smaller to b/f or betting larger to make him pay with his draws. Even though the latter option means we have to b/c because we’re clearly priced in.
Never folding KK in a million years with a 33bb starting stack.
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Seriously tho, how was my play? For me these are serious decisions I had to make, if you're more experienced. Good for you. Then these might be insta calls or folds. To me they are not. I wanna know if I played this properly. I am asking to be given advice, not to be patronized on my inexperience or the stakes I play.
Seriously then, don't justify your shortstacking with b/s. Online very few serious players shortstack unless they have a confirmed, valid shortstack strategy, which clearly you don't if you even consider folding in the KK hand. Most shortstackers online at micro stakes are just out and out fish (it's one very easy way to identify fish).