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02-12-2018 , 07:40 PM
1-2 live game.

My stack is 300$ UTG I pick up Ad10d. Open to 12$, get called in 3 spots.

Flop comes 10s9c6d. Pot is roughly 36$. I Cbet 25$, Villain (125$ stack) next to act basically shoves, he bets 100$ leaving just 25$ behind. 3rd player folds...

What do you do?
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02-12-2018 , 08:06 PM
Not sure if this flop should be a bet. I assume you are out of position against most if not all opponents and this board is going to get nasty on a lot of runouts. Also you block the ten so it's harder to get action from a worse pair plus you're drawing dead against sets.

As played the only real draw is QJ which has a ****ton of outs against you or maybe 89s, all other hands have you dead. There aren't many universes where you can profitably call against $1/$2 live players. He needs to be doing this with worse top pairs to consider calling and with it being 4-ways I don't see it happening.

Most likely hand is 66 actually. Since you posted the hand my guess is that is exactly what he had.
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02-12-2018 , 08:42 PM
I made a mistake. I got called in 2 spots for a 3-way pot.
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02-12-2018 , 08:51 PM
You're getting very close to 2:1 to stack off, I wouldn't consider that to being commited to the pot.

Give him a range to do that and see if you have roughly 35% equity against that.

Against something like QQ-99,66,ATs,KTs,QTs+,JTs,J8s,T9s,87s,QJo you have close to 40% but most 1/2 players wouldn't ship that wide but rather call lots of those hands and see a turn.
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02-12-2018 , 10:13 PM
By committed I was thinking along the lines of the SPR on the flop was pretty small (3.5.) Lots of literature says you should be comfortable stacking off when SPR is low. I had a hard time putting him on worse hands than mine. I ended up just shoving fully expecting him to call the just 25$ and see the board run out and be beat some percentage of the time. Turn comes A and river brick and I table. Villain mucks and starts whining. He never showed but stated he has two pair on the flop, I'm assuming 10-9. I had mixed feelings on the hand. Had he had a deeper stack and shoved I would have folded, but I am not sure villain would have shoved if he was deeper. I figured if I was beat I had the overcard ace and backdoor nut flush draw gave me at least some equity when called. Not sure I played this right which is why I posted.
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02-12-2018 , 10:21 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by fi$h
By committed I was thinking along the lines of the SPR on the flop was pretty small (3.5.) Lots of literature says you should be comfortable stacking off when SPR is low.
Does that literature define 3.5 as a low SPR?

Getting worse than 2:1 definitely doesn't commit you to stacking off with TPTK.

If you remove just QJo and QTs from the range I posted above, you don't have the odds to stack off. Lots of players will ship even tighter than QQ-99,66,QJs,J8s,T9s,87s. Against such a range, you're a 3:1 underdog.
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02-12-2018 , 10:48 PM
Ok makes more sense now, the term pot commitment is something I discovered I misunderstood somewhat. Thanks for the input.
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02-14-2018 , 09:18 AM
Classic/Interesting 1-2 spot ...
1) TPTK .. I want value
2) TPTK .. I need to protect my hand against this Board
3) TPTK .. I have outs to improve and backdoor nut flush

A) TPTK .. OOP with a draw heavy Board that hits a lot of calling ranges
B) TPTK .. OOP against a short stack, do I really want to bloat this pot and have a scare card peel?
c) TPTK .. OOP against a short stack, will I become pot committed if he raises/shoves?

I don't mind the c-bet, but I can also play this off as AK/AQ missed and see if someone wants to lead out into me for a c/c and see what the Turn brings.

Typically at 1/2 bets like this are what they seem to be ... over-protection of pretty strong hands, even sets. Players would rather see you fold than risk getting drawn out on (like you did here .. Which ALWAYS happens!) at your own price. Of course they are missing value by giving you the escape route but they would rather protect their stack and, in reality, they are expecting hands like yours to call anyway because they are used to players stacking off with TPTK at low stakes.

These hands are tough to let go, but it does get easier. Just make sure when you fold you say "Jacks? We could've got it all-in PF with my AK." GL
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02-14-2018 , 06:41 PM
first he raised less than the size of the pot so the raise size isnt scary. the fact that he raised is.
his raise was right and not wanting to see another board card with two pair. too many cards to come to beat him or cause him to fold the best hand.

to avoid these bad spots dont open utg with weak hands like that in small stakes games for 6 times the blind. that hand likes cheap entry to break players not run them out and play against dominating hands.
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02-16-2018 , 04:41 PM
Villain did comment he put me on AK after the hand, so I think he was truly wanting a fold out of me. I had connected with the 10. Had i slowed down I could have gotten away from this hand realizing I was probably beat.

Last edited by fi$h; 02-16-2018 at 04:47 PM.
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02-16-2018 , 09:41 PM
dont play results of the hand for the future. it does not apply and will only lead you to future disaster.

the play start at the first time you consider entering the pot and that start controls your decisions through out.
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