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Totally misplayed this hand... help? Totally misplayed this hand... help?

07-31-2017 , 11:32 PM
I totally misplayed this hand. I have been playing PLO for the past few months and just hopped back into NL. I would like some help here. I think I should have just folded pre. That said, as played do I just jam the turn? I felt like, after looking at this hand after my session, I should have either jammed or folded to the turn bet. Thanks in advance!

Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: 317.4 BB (VPIP: 29.52, PFR: 25.71, 3Bet Preflop: 14.29, Hands: 110)
UTG: 100 BB (VPIP: 20.49, PFR: 18.44, 3Bet Preflop: 8.33, Hands: 252)
CO: 100 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 16.18, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 68)
Hero (BTN): 121 BB
SB: 255.8 BB (VPIP: 25.86, PFR: 18.97, 3Bet Preflop: 4.17, Hands: 60)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has A 7

fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, BB raises to 10 BB, Hero calls 7 BB

Flop: (20.4 BB, 2 players) 9 T 8
BB bets 13 BB, Hero calls 13 BB

Turn: (46.4 BB, 2 players) A
BB bets 19 BB, Hero calls 19 BB

River: (84.4 BB, 2 players) K
BB bets 80.2 BB, fold

Spoiler:
BB wins 80.2 BB

1.2 BB was deducted from the pot for the jackpot.

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08-01-2017 , 05:36 AM
Don't fold pre button vs BB when his overall 3bet is 14%, could also 4bet this hand. As played this hand might not be one I call with on the flop because even though it is an open ended straight draw most of your outs are dominated. You have all sorts of 7Xs or JXs that play way better than this hand.
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08-01-2017 , 02:51 PM
See above .. I also consider 'Will I get paid if I hit?' when making this Flop call. If you have Ac7x it's different too. This is an active player, so floating isn't unreasonable if you think you can pick up some pots on the Turn or River when checked to ... if the player has a history of backing off when a c-bet is called.

The Flop bet to pot ratio drops quite a bit on the Turn. Is it 'call me' or pot control? Whereas the River bet is polarizing the other way to 'get paid'. Tough to make these calls with A-no-kicker. GL
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08-01-2017 , 04:25 PM
Villains 3bet is only based from 110 hands, I would much rather flat this then 4bet against someone who may not necessarily be 3betting that light. With that being said, if you have a decent hand sample size like around 1k on villain and his 3b is 14% (which is extremely high) then I like the 4bet for sure.

Another useful stat on the HuD is fold to 3bet, which I use quite a bit, since as you move up, villains do tend to 4bet lighter so its important to know the players that have the balls to fire the 4bet or those that throw in the towel when facing aggression with their marginal opening hands.

Not continuing on this flop for two reasons,

the first is something that you are familiar with in plo, you have the worst "decent" draw excluding gutters. Honestly the only card you really want to hit is the 6 (non club) on turn. Which leads me to...

the second is that if you make your draw its a 4 straight on board so villains are less likely to call when there is a 4 straight/4 flush on board so your implied odds go way down.

Last edited by AznblackhawkCo; 08-01-2017 at 04:33 PM.
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08-01-2017 , 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Kelvis
Don't fold pre button vs BB when his overall 3bet is 14%
How many potential 3bet spots did that guy have over 110 hands? Is he 3/21 or 4/28 or 5/35 or maybe even 6/42? For all we know, this might be his very first 3bet out of the BB.

Basing strategy on that minuscule sample size might be a recipe for disaster.
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08-01-2017 , 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by madlex
How many potential 3bet spots did that guy have over 110 hands? Is he 3/21 or 4/28 or 5/35 or maybe even 6/42? For all we know, this might be his very first 3bet out of the BB.

Basing strategy on that minuscule sample size might be a recipe for disaster.
Coupled with his VPIP/PFR you can pretty safely conclude he isn't a total nit, obviously his exact 3bet here is relatively unknown but based on the info there is no reason to deviate from standard ranges. And yes, this may very well be his very first 3bet from the BB.
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08-01-2017 , 05:33 PM
It is a small sample for 3bet stats. The guy does look like he is probably loose. I'm not really sure if it is slightly better to call, 3bet or fold pre-flop. I may just fold this particular hand without having more info on the opponent. Would rather have a suited A that can make the wheel or a bigger second card. But not folding shouldn't be bad at all.

Also, based on the provided stats of the two players in the sb and the bb, I'm almost definitely just minraising rather than making it 3 big blinds.

The turn is a really easy fold IMO. That's a crappy flop for you (while holding this particular hand). Yes, you have an OESD, but (i) it is the low end; a J on the turn doesn't really make your hand that great, (ii) when you hit, it will be hard to get paid much on a 4 to a straight board, (iii) there is a flush draw so 2 of your "outs" aren't clean for that (and as mentioned on a J, you have the low end so any Q still beats you also) and (iv) this board actually drills a lot of your pre-flop calling range (some hands may be TT,99,88,T9s,98s,T8s,QJs,ATs,JTs,KcQc,KsQs,AcQc,As Qs,KcJc,KsJs,AcXc), so you have a lot of other hands to call or raise with and even though this board drills a lot of your range, villain is still firing.
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