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03-19-2018 , 08:22 AM
Local 1-2 game.

Villain limps, Hero raises LP with AdKh to 10$,villain calls (started hand with 140$ stack and hero has him covered.)

Villain doesn't seem to be a great player. His PF range is often forked with limps=weak and raises=strong. Will limp call 50% and limp fold the other 50%.

Pot is 20$ and Flop is Ah7h3h. Villain checks, I Cbet 10$ and villain calls.

Pot is 40$ and turn comes Kc. Villain leads with 25$... with about 95$ behind.

At this point I'm thinking he either flopped a flush or picked up a KxXh,for a pair and flush draw or some A-rag with a heart. Maybe AxQh. I feel like I'm probably ahead here a lot but also have equity against a flopped flush.

What does hero do?
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03-19-2018 , 11:55 AM
You have the nut flush, top 2 and he's clearly a weaker player.

Let's give you the worst case scenario and say you're against a set (I'm not saying a s/f draw, that's just TOO wide), assume 77 for this example.

He has 70% equity. Your outs are any A, K or heart. That's 2xA, 2xK and 9 heart cards. The Stack to pot ratio is 3:1 and you're in a good position to beat a large portion of hands. This is WORST CASE; the King can improve him or might be a brick and he decides to semi-bluff with some equity/pure bluff to just blast you off of something.

I hope you called!
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03-19-2018 , 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Feldheimer1
You have the nut flush, top 2 and he's clearly a weaker player.

Let's give you the worst case scenario and say you're against a set (I'm not saying a s/f draw, that's just TOO wide), assume 77 for this example.

He has 70% equity. Your outs are any A, K or heart. That's 2xA, 2xK and 9 heart cards. The Stack to pot ratio is 3:1 and you're in a good position to beat a large portion of hands. This is WORST CASE; the King can improve him or might be a brick and he decides to semi-bluff with some equity/pure bluff to just blast you off of something.

I hope you called!
I highly doubt the decision was between calling and folding.

The question should be if we call to see a river with a pot sized bet behind or if we get it in here in which case we also avoid a potentially difficult decision on the river.
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03-19-2018 , 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by madlex
I highly doubt the decision was between calling and folding.

The question should be if we call to see a river with a pot sized bet behind or if we get it in here in which case we also avoid a potentially difficult decision on the river.
On review, I think I meant to get it in rather than call.
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03-19-2018 , 12:44 PM
As played, I just shoved. He snaps calls and shows 10h9h. I've still got outs but river bricked so he got the pot. I wasn't sure if shoving was the correct play or just calling and evaluating river. Had he shoved river on me if I just called it would have been a tough spot.
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03-19-2018 , 07:30 PM
I see this a lot at low stakes live and it is often a blocker bet where villain is trying to see a river cheaply.
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03-21-2018 , 11:16 AM
I also see it quite a lot and it often happens when villain is strong and scared of you shutting down.

Also remember 77 and 33 are in most weak players' limp-call range.
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03-21-2018 , 11:18 AM
Is this a player who donks as a bluff?

If not, what part of his value range are you beating when he donks the turn after you already continued on the flop? Would he really do that for value with two pair or worse on a flushy board?
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03-21-2018 , 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by OC1012
Is this a player who donks as a bluff?

If not, what part of his value range are you beating when he donks the turn after you already continued on the flop? Would he really do that for value with two pair or worse on a flushy board?
What percentage of hero's iso range flops a flush on that board? How many X hands are in his range?

Especially in live games where overlimping is pretty common, the preflop isolator rarely flops a flush on Axx boards. I would even say that more 1/2 isoraisers have max 1 flush combo on this board than there are players who have 4+ flush combos.
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