This might not be in the right place (feel free to move it if so)

So, strategy versus fish, more so opening ranges.

Generically are you opening/ 3Bing/ ISOing wider? Especially when your seeing them just put chips in with junk hands and spewing them around.

I'm finding that when I widen up versus these guys/gals it's me that's spewing.

More often then not it's me spewing at them with hands like TPGK, B2P, low flushes or straights.

Don't get me wrong I do often get it in good v's these players but I also often find I'm just not holding... I struggle with tilt here when it happens for 200bb pots 4 times in quick succession (understandably annoying in all the big/decent sized pots) when they have like J4s oop v's my (KK) 4B pre and flat my VB flop and shove Turn and they just have a FD and bink... Or they have junk and just get there consecutively time after time.
(That ended up more of a rant buy, you get the picture)

At the risk of tightening up I feel we let others target these players and there stacks before we can...

So yeah, tighten up or loosen up?

Cheers for any insights

It's not whether they are a fish that matters, but what kind of fish. If they are a calling station, take them to value town. If they are a nit, open your range and steal their blinds every chance you get. You get the idea.

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You can 3-bet with a wide range vs an aggrofish that's playing 38/26. It would be a huge mistake to 3-bet with a wide range vs a passive fish that plays 32/2.

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'Fish' is a useless description.

Winning at games with weak opponents, what you do is define their weakness individually and decide how to exploit them.

You can create a strategy against a population as well and then deviate as needed.

Example: Low stakes live games, people open limp a wide range and call raises too wide.

Strategy: Make big raises with nutted hands, especially in position and see cheap flops with speculative hands by overlimping, especially in position.

Just play abc and let them bring the mistakes to you by calling your cbets with naked gutshots e.t.c.

Be very cautious abnout labeling pother player's 'fish' just because you don't agree with or undersatand their play. Until, as mentiooned above, you can understand their exact leaks, you should treat these players carefully.

I remember a time playing in $350 by in tournament (as part of a WSOPc series) that I got knocked out. I had QQ, raised to 4bb pre, got two callers including the big blind. The flop was 468r. The BB led out for less than half the pot. I though for a second, decided the donk bet was defensive and pushed the rest of my 20bb stack in the middle. BB tables 57 for the nuts.

As I am packing up my stuff, I am fuming and wonder aloud what kind of fish calls my preflop raise with 57. The guy next to me points to the rafters(where they hang pictures of all the WSOPc and WPT main event winners from that casino) and says, the kind of guy who has a banner(and, I later found out, over a million in winnings).

Don't always assume that guys who do stuff you don't agree with a fish.

Without knowing stacks and information on hero and villains his play does sound a little loose and you played the hand perfectly but yeah calling people fish is a bad mindset imo and as has been said in this thread think what is a person doing wrong and how do you exploit it.

That's a fair and valid point... pretty naive of me really

Slowly realising I'm the bloomin fish :-(

Yeah you suck but guess what well done on realising that and putting effort in to get better. 2nlz you'll get crushed 2nl you'll soon be beating if you continue to put effort in.

You need to be looking at more general concepts though. Learning what good opening ranges are (pretty arbitrary) but why you would adjust them, learning to c-bet. If you do both of those reasonably and fold to aggression from unknowns you'll be printing pennies at 2nl.