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Is this strange? Not real poker(stars)? Is this strange? Not real poker(stars)?

08-26-2017 , 06:33 PM
Hello

In real poker/holdem a deck is shuffled and then from the top the cards are dealt. Discarding everytime one card for flop,turn.river.

Cards are dealt from top...

Now look at this video from 2:04 (Inside PokerStars 3: How does PokerStars shuffle the deck? | PokerStars)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DkHzOUzDjc

Huh?

So imagine your sitting at a pokertable. the dealer shuffles the cards and instead of dealing from the top the dealer just pulls cards somewhere from the deck and deals the cards....

HUH???

Edit: Do they shuffle at all?
08-26-2017 , 06:45 PM
In a live game, the dealer shuffles them into a random (as best as possible) order, and then deals them one at a time. Online, the computer puts them into a random order (as best as possible) and deals them one at a time. This is exactly the same thing, except that the random numbers generated by the computer are probably closer to true randomization than a dealer shuffling a deck of cards.

When the dealer shuffles the deck he/she is basically doing exactly what the computer it doing. He is taking cards in random order and assigning them to the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, etc. position to be dealt. You see it as a deck of cards, because it would be really weird to pull them out from various places, but they were in various places before he shuffled.

Not sure what your concern is.
08-26-2017 , 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by VBAces
In a live game, the dealer shuffles them into a random (as best as possible) order, and then deals them one at a time. Online, the computer puts them into a random order (as best as possible) and deals them one at a time. This is exactly the same thing, except that the random numbers generated by the computer are probably closer to true randomization than a dealer shuffling a deck of cards.

When the dealer shuffles the deck he/she is basically doing exactly what the computer it doing. He is taking cards in random order and assigning them to the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, etc. position to be dealt. You see it as a deck of cards, because it would be really weird to pull them out from various places, but they were in various places before he shuffled.

Not sure what your concern is.
The cards are not dealt from the top of the shuffled deck.
pokerstars pulls them out from various places...... INSIDE the deck
08-26-2017 , 07:17 PM
How do you think this affects the game?
08-26-2017 , 07:21 PM
"Where" they take a card out of a shuffled deck is irrelevant, since each card would be equally likely to be in that particular location in the deck. The deck is randomly shuffled, so you could pick the first X cards, or just select X cards randomly from the deck. In both cases, the probability of receiving a particular outcome is the same.
08-26-2017 , 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by reneener77
The cards are not dealt from the top of the shuffled deck.
pokerstars pulls them out from various places...... INSIDE the deck
Which is exactly the same.

When a deck is random (and it is, both in real life and online), it doesn' matter which card you are drawing - top, bottom, or anywhere in between. In any case, you are getting "one random card from the pool of all possible cards".

So, really, what IS your concern here?
Do you think that the top card of the deck is "more random" than the bottom, or any other one?
08-26-2017 , 08:31 PM
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Originally Posted by reneener77
The cards are not dealt from the top of the shuffled deck.
pokerstars pulls them out from various places...... INSIDE the deck
you do realize that simply is no actual DECK of cards. In that computer there are not a bunch of pieces of paper that it is pulling from. When they put cards on the screen it is just a visual representation. Not sure if you think there is a little man in there pulling out pieces of paper, but there really isn't.
08-27-2017 , 05:33 AM
This pokerstars method is not the same as real life poker.

You telling me you are ok,when sitting in real life at a table, with the fact that the dealer shuffles the cards and then at random deals cards from within the deck and not from the top?

Also not putting one card asside when dealing the flop turn and river?
08-27-2017 , 06:37 AM
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Originally Posted by reneener77
This pokerstars method is not the same as real life poker.

You telling me you are ok,when sitting in real life at a table, with the fact that the dealer shuffles the cards and then at random deals cards from within the deck and not from the top?

Also not putting one card asside when dealing the flop turn and river?
why would anyone care?
08-27-2017 , 07:06 AM
How is anyone taking OP seriously?
08-27-2017 , 07:15 AM
That's why I'm losing...
08-27-2017 , 07:22 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by reneener77
You telling me you are ok,when sitting in real life at a table, with the fact that the dealer shuffles the cards and then at random deals cards from within the deck and not from the top?
Yes.
08-27-2017 , 07:35 AM
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Originally Posted by reneener77
Also not putting one card asside when dealing the flop turn and river?
I'm not really sure where exactly is "asside", but sounds like I'm totally ok with the dealer NOT putting any cards there.
08-27-2017 , 08:11 AM
A "deck of cards" is a physical thing in the physical world. No such thing online. The "cards" are data points that are not constrained by physical dimensions, thus no such thing as "top", "bottom", "middle", etc. in cyberspace. No need for it.

The electronic manifestation of the set that we call "cards" can be much closer to truly random than is ever possible with physical items.

Cliffs: OP has no clue how computers work.
08-27-2017 , 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Kurn, son of Mogh
A "deck of cards" is a physical thing in the physical world. No such thing online. The "cards" are data points that are not constrained by physical dimensions, thus no such thing as "top", "bottom", "middle", etc. in cyberspace. No need for it.

The electronic manifestation of the set that we call "cards" can be much closer to truly random than is ever possible with physical items.

Cliffs: OP has no clue how computers work.
Retired after 30 years working as a IT manager at a University and being a programmer...
08-27-2017 , 08:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Garrynych
I'm not really sure where exactly is "asside", but sounds like I'm totally ok with the dealer NOT putting any cards there.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burn_card
08-27-2017 , 08:46 AM
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Originally Posted by madlex
Yes.
LOL
08-27-2017 , 08:51 AM
Everybody stop feeding this one, seriously. You look more ridiculous than this OP clown.
08-27-2017 , 08:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Didace
How do you think this affects the game?
No idea. I just want to point out that the way pokerstars (and others I presume) shuffle and deal cards is not the same as in real life.

I had a other remark in a second thread but for some reason the mods closed that thread.

Cheers
08-27-2017 , 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Kelvis
Everybody stop feeding this one, seriously. You look more ridiculous than this OP clown.
He's a bit too obvious, true. Could be more entertaining.
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