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10-30-2017 , 11:54 PM
I'm an American that relocated outside the USA a while back. I mainly was an sng player turned mttsng/low stakes and some medium stakes mtt player. As many of you know, the games online have gotten worst and worst. I definitely do not play the same way as i did many years ago because if i did, then i would get destroyed. Thus the wait for a set to stack someone and overpair to stack someone doesn't work now like it did back then.


I definitely gotten better at poker than compared to before BF. However the thing is back then many players would 3x etc and that was normal and standard. So if plays like this was done now, it would be categorized as very bad. In terms of software, i mainly just use holdem manager to use the hud and look at players hud stats. Back then there was icmizer and pokerstove and those similar programs but back then, you didn't need to use these programs to win. Of course if you did, you would crush etc.


Nowadays, it seems like there is more and more poker software. From programs i hear like pokersnowie and piosolver... i never even heard of these programs before. Then you have programs like notecaddy which basically have software that makes nots for you automatically. So basically if you dont use a hud, you are already at a huge disadvantage. But if you do use one, so many players are using other programs to work on their game. Yes studying is very important in poker. But im curious are there low and possible mid stakes players that do not use any of these programs? The thing is i googled piosolver and it looks very complicated... then im wondering... are even the low stakes players studying with programs like this? Because if they are, then isn't online poker just about GG? I know cash games and sngs are very tough. Thus the format of online poker that is profitable is tournaments. But the issue with tournaments is there is huge variance in it.


If you do not use any of these poker software, does that make you at a huge disadvantage? You have players studying equilibrium ranges and all these things. Back then... we did look at a range and equity for players but we did not go as deep as the players now. Such as okay this players range for betting on the flop and turn is a few hands.. but it seems now, it would be like okay his range is 15 percent of hands... then it seems like players even know what 15 percent is exactly? Like they would say okay its 22+, a10+ kj+ etc. I mean are players really this smart nowadays?
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10-30-2017 , 11:54 PM
Compare this to to live poker. I haven't played live poker in many years and when i did it was in vegas. I mainly played the 1/3nl games and the games were pretty soft. I know the games now must be a lot tougher now as back then... very few regs at the table.


So would you all say online poker is pretty much GG? You hear how players say many years ago poker is solved such as with limit holdem etc. But even when i look at the poker lobbies of cash games, it seems like players don't even sit in unless a fish sits in? I mean that is basically unheard of back then. Are players really scared of playing other competent regs?


But overall, if you had to pick one, would say its actually better to play online poker or live poker? Because online poker is great in that you can just play online and you don't need to travel to casino. You can multitable. But for live poker, i know that low stakes cash games back then was soft. But when i hear 2/5 games in vegas are very hard and even games in florida are no longer soft and most are regs... does that mean poker is really pointless nowadays to make decent profit?


I been in online poker for a while already. And also sites like stars take away vip rewards, more rake etc. Is it really pointless to play online poker or live poker nowadays? I can certainly understand if you play for fun online or just for fun at the casino. But im talking about the ones who do this for a living or close to it. Because it seems like games get tougher... sites give out less for online. In live poker... i always heard live poker will always be soft. I definitely agree with this but this probably would apply to 1/2nl and not 2/5.


I know there is always a thread asking about the current state of poker. But nowadays, what would be really the most profitable format for an online player? What about live poker?


I would have to say its probably low and some mid stakes tournaments for online? And for live poker... probably 1/2 or 1/3? And maybe some 2/5? And the thing that surprises me the most out of live poker is how there is rarely even a 5/10nl table going. Im not talking about now... im talking about a while back as well. With so many live poker pros... i mean are just most of them grinding out 1/3 and 2/5? I know 5/10 would have huge swings but that is what surprises me in that even a very good reg only plays 2/5.


I know i wrote a long thread here and would appreciate insight/feedback on this.
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10-31-2017 , 09:31 AM
Site select well, table select well and do the fundamentals at the table well and you can still crush online poker!

Here's a little screenshare of one of the ASIAN pokersites I use (I live in the UK) and you can see it isnt dead just yet. The players to the flop% is great!

https://media.discordapp.net/attachm...557&height=702

Lazy people just like to complain because they dont site select or table select correctly! They jump onto reg filled sites and any available tables and scrape a 2bb/100 wr complaining about how hard it is!
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10-31-2017 , 01:58 PM
Everywhere I've ever played live poker it was very soft, including Vegas, although I was there during the series which is supposedly good for the cash games. I can't speak for Vegas during the rest of the year, but I know there are players making a decent living there.

Florida 2|5 games are very soft. Probably not as soft as Michigan where I moved from, but still very soft. Most of the "regs" aren't good players. They are just fish who play a lot.
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11-07-2017 , 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by DanJWarburton
Site select well, table select well and do the fundamentals at the table well and you can still crush online poker!

Here's a little screenshare of one of the ASIAN pokersites I use (I live in the UK) and you can see it isnt dead just yet. The players to the flop% is great!
Care to share the name of the site?
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11-07-2017 , 04:31 PM
DJWarburton is no longer on this site. He self-banned his way outta here.

And if he did want to share...he'd have to kill you after....
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11-07-2017 , 05:23 PM
its AllInAsia or Natural8 same skin i think
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