texas holdem no limit that is, i ask cause if majority profits come from aks to jj+ and the other most of other chunk from AQof A10s KQs 88+ then technically even if all the other stuff is a value raise you could treat it like a bluffing hand in your head so your approach is different post like say something junky like j7s id raise that on the button cutoff cause i actually presume right there then i have the best hand same goes for all my ace high and pockets king high some q and j high etc blinds fold yes i did i get called (still might but most likely 50/50 vs lotta hands so even if i win with the hand more than 50/50 at showdown i lose right cause of rakes cut out out of the pot, so really is there any point raising it in first point particularly at low stakes where your going showdown a lot anyway, isnt it better to have your bluffs be KJs J10s suited BW's that actually get to showdown often enough as the best hand and work as good bluffs pre post on boards and kinda just fold all the mid high connected suited hands cause (i say this without knowing as i have no data) but they dont make you any money longterm they marginally lose or breakeven at best, and if the whole aims to play profitable poker why keep junk in there at all, i mean people say things like balance or whatnot but doesnt mean you dont have bluffs cause really unless its a pocket or ace high its borderline bluff (but obvs you fold most aces offsuit and suited depending upon position cause odds having best hand change depending upon table count and affect you getting to showdown with best hand) doesnt mean you cant bluff those boards or textures (using position etc) im just beginning to wonder if you really can play too tight cause people give action regardless no one overfolds postflop, not really not that ive noticed or there at least bleed to the river and decide (so called good players bad players fish basically if there playing a pot there seeing a river nowadays) near no ones 3betting purely the nuts either so when you give action there wrecked if you play postflop well you just profit long term vs them like your edge is literally built into it and they've literally dug themselves a hole against a strong range.

i got thinking about it the other day as i realised fullring i can play stupidly loose and make it work not quite sure why few reasons 1) people do overfold 2) way less 3betting and they dont 4bet much at all 4betting sucks wanna make my life hell 4bet me i hate it tilts me as i end up just coin flipping i havent worked out how or where an edge is there cause stacks are short 3) pay me off alot on board they shouldnt or just cause i look a maniac so my weird or hands 2pair straights boats sets trips get paid off alot!!! and to large shoves overbets i check raise alot to basically any equity cause again they just call odd person shoves so i get to even when bluffing semi bluffing get there and again they pay me 4) multiway pots its a part of fullring poker i really enjoy actually as you despite what people say or think bluff quite alot in them if opponents are right and when do have hand more dosh, so you got people that fold too much at some point and also pay off when hit any piece too much and seem far easier to read and value bet thin relentlessly

now 6max is a game i used to be alright playing loose in nowadays im rarely seeing that as being the best way to play even when it works as means have to balance it right adjust readjust more headache also people are pure stations at 6max everyone is so you have so little fold equity and everyone loves to bloat pots it feels like with 3bet 4bet wars turning it into close bingo swear some people just dont like playing flops turns so just cram much in pot where its always either a hand or nothing once flop comes, but yh cause of these least in games ive played in common dynamics wheres the real value in suited connectors in pots that are frequently bloated pre i mean even as a steal its useless cause 3betting frequency out of the blinds is so what do you do call and check fold every flop cause there barrel away with to infinity (and even if check raise them all in or c/r ship turn your still getting called by flush draws gutshots ace high king high alot man almost regardless of board its like 3b pots if they raised there not folding much, and check there tp when do hit strong allow a flush to hit on turn cause they got trappy you bet turn shove river and they still call with tp ha or underpair.
so yh i personally scrapped loads and loads of hands in 6max and it seems to be working whereas fullring ill happily play 1/2 deck vs some people and not be punished for it bet my value and get paid off too much, whereas 6max your getting action but equally your stupidly well i am at times giving too much action like i need to be balanced when really what im finding out is i really dont and even if they sort of catch on that your range is relatively tight doesnt mean they adjust right (they might raise willy nilly certain flops) they still call 3bets loads and try cough cough crack my hands so im favouring high cards more and more as i used to when first started playing cause i really no longer think the low suited connectors are needed you still have board coverage casue you got some crummy suited aces in the mix low pocket pairs and again you can still bluff regardless of your hands and rep certain holdings no ones gonna know how your range is constructed really

i used to never play any rag ace yet play j7o in late position so even if they got clue if im loose or tight or 3b such and such they dont know quite how its built up those ranges from each position

but my question still is can you play too tight??? presuming people dont correctly adjust vs your ranges.

similar question about blind defence actually is it really that necessary other than vs sb with fairly wide range to even bother with out well nuts (range stronger than there raising vs other positions)

My eyes are bleeding.

players who play loose tend to go on a roll and win a **** ton then lose a ton if they keep playing those stakes or higher stakes.

I could name player after player who does this. even show you what they have said themselves. tighter players might last a bit longer but never move up the stakes unless they earn money from other investments.

I would love to answer this question but your formatting in the OP is horrendous so I didn’t read it. Cliffs?

Short answer based on title alone: not really. I don’t play suited connectors, bad offsuit broadways, play pretty much AK, AQs, sometimes AQo, and most pairs (baby pairs only against weak opponents). 3! AA, KK, AK; QQ-JJ depending on original raiser’s tendencies and position. Gl.

Yes, it's called playing Zoom

This, can't be bothered reading a novel if OP can't be bothered to format it.

Yes you can play too tight.

The key question for all Players ... What are you trying to get out of the game? The follow up question is 'Are you properly equipped (skill, bankroll) to execute your first answer?'

You may have some interesting stuff in your post, but you basically hit the key phrase at the bottom ... The answer is No, unless the second answer is YES. GL

Here are some commas and full stops:
Please use them.

If people don't notice how tight you are, then you'd hardly be losing any EV by playing super tight, as many playable hands are only slightly profitable. If your opponents are observant, the answer is yes. Good players don't pay off nits, so playing overly tight would mean you don't win as much with JJ+/AK as normal players do.

You sound like a native English speaker so hopefully I'm not offending someone struggling with the language. Did you pay attention during English class in school? That post is unreadable.

not if you also pick good spots to bluff and spots to pick up the blinds when they are basically giving them to you.

didnt read the post either.

Those players are also very likely to lose a lot of money quickly. Playing loose just amplifies losses and gains.

It depends. Playing heads up, it is very easy to play too tight. At a full ring game, playing "too tight" is basically unexploitable, especially if you are 100 bbs or less, and the much more common flaw is playing too loose.

Anytime you fold a spot that makes more money by calling then you’re sinply being too tight

thats true but many players are not capable or do not want to be in some of those pots and are willing to give up that ev for piece of mind.

everyone isnt interested in maximizing profit at the expense of fluctuation.

Over in LLSNL there is a player Gobbldygeek. He plays in a tiny casino against a very small player pool - and has played in this game for years. He plays comically tight, AND he does not buy in full. I believe he buys in for 65bb or so. He wins around 7bb per hour. He doesnt bluff or run fancy plays. He avoids tough decisions. It is damn hard to play too tight

Playing too tight paid off last night ... Sat down with a maniac on my right who was 15-40x straddling every hand (via Mississippi) which left me with less than 15-20bb effective until I hit a few pots. And even if I felt the urge to flat I could've been facing a pot bet (PLO) when it got back around to him.

We did play some NL, but I bet I saw less than 12 PLO Flops in 5 hours and ended up 9x-ing my stack by the time I left. Even with the tight play, I got 2-3 streets of value (I never said 'pot' the whole night) or just called my way to the River if bet into.

Usually I'm considered the loose Player at the table, but not wanting to out do my fellow competitor for table captain really paid off on this night. GL

I think that being tight and being short stacked go hand in hand. You can't really speculate too much, because your short stack means you won't have great implied odds if you do hit an oddball hand (think tom dwan), and strong hands and a tight style generally have the biggest advantage before the flop and on the flop. By the turn and the river there is more potential for your opponent to have caught up and punish you with large river bets or bluffs. Not only is the pot size much larger on the turn and river, meaning wrong decisions cost much more, but equity tends to be more dramatically in favour of one player or the other (by the river it is generally 100/0 unless of course you are tied, but even by the turn you are more likely for one player to be a huge favourite). Tight players are forced to play defensively at this point, often check deciding or checking back, as their hands are a lot more face up than their opponents. Essentially, loose players have the advantage on the turn and river, because of their wide ranges. Tight players have the advantage before the flop and on the flop, because of the raw strength of their hands. So by short stacking you can make hold'em a preflop / flop game, essentially robbing loose players of their natural late street advantage.

As already mentioned, try putting one concept out at a time and presenting it more concisely.

Can you play too tight?

Yes.

Can you play too tight if your opponents don't adjust?

Still yes, but it's not bad to tighten up a decent amount if people truly aren't adjusting.

Is blind defense necessary?

Yes.

Is blind defense necessary if <insert condition here>?

Yes, but maybe you can vary your strategy some.

blind defense usually isnt needed in live poker smaller stakes unless you are so obviously tight and have an aggressive player on your right.
generally they always have the good hand and position on you.

My eyes just bled out.

If you are a beginner and would ask this question then No, you can't play too tight.

If you are a skilled player that knows how to read hands then hell yes, you can play too tight.

Newbie = Tight is right.
Skilled = There are 20 reasons to play a hand and your strength is only one of them.

Edit: I will even play a hand to specifically lose. If I play K6o and showdown, it will convince everyone to call my value bets, or I hit some stupid hand and get there and make money. If you are skilled, there are times where you should play a hand to specifically lose but keep losses to a minimum.

Like I said, 20 reasons.

Questions like this are sometimes easier to understand when you take them to the extreme. Can you play too tight? Yes. Obviously you can. Fold every hand. Back it off from there and see how it looks.

If you are playing 9 handed $1/2 Holdem, and you only play AA, then you will fold 219 hands and play 1. 219/9 = ~24 rounds at $3/round or about $73. So you would need to make $73 when you get AA to break even with this strategy. This is going to be difficult to do if your opponents just watched you fold 219 hands in a row.

lol. Very true and well explained. You will pick up the $3 blinds in that case which means you are -$70.

If you're good, you'll play according to the table.

That should answer the question.

yes but with bad players after folding 200 hands in a row, if they have a big pair they are still going to lose all of their stack if you play the aces well.