I was in a hand yesterday, sitting on a 1/2NL table about £600 deep.

We get dealt JJ's in the BB, it folds to btn, he raises it up to 10
he's about £2600 deep and with 1300bb you can imagine the sort of bullying he was doing on the table.

I decide to put in a re-raise to 30, to protect against over cards,
Villain 4-bets to 67

My identification of the player is that he is a typical LAG, he could always do this with any type of AT+ type of hand (blocking A's) and I have previously seen him 4-bet and show KQs,

Should I ever 5-bet in the spot, if so how much do I make it?

Note: I would never do this against the average player that I have no prior info on.

Where's the 4bet?

If you want to play for 300BB preflop with JJ, go ahead and raise. Otherwise, I wouldn't.

Depends on what he thinks of your play. I'd either call or shove depending on a number of factors such as (a) my preflop 3 betting frequency, (b) my preflop 3 betting range, (c) his preflop 4 betting range, (d) his stack off range vs a 5 bet, and (e) how solid all of the above reads are.

This is the wrong reason to 3 bet.

My 3bet probably would have been bigger. $40 maybe.

I'd probably just call his 4bet. But depending on the answers to the questions Bob148 asked above, a 5bet could be good.

Also, having a big stack in a cash game should not in any way give a player the ability to "bully" the other players who have smaller stacks.




EDIT:

"Should you ever 5-bet pocket J's?"

I definitely do 5bet JJ somewhat regularly. In LP vs. blinds situations around 100 big blinds deep if I get 4bet I'd often 5bet shove JJ. But in this hand, we are 300 big blinds deep.

I'd usually flat the 4-bet in BB v BTN. By default I only 5-bet jacks in BvB, although there are other spots where it can happen.

Yup this is what I'd do readless, which I forgot to mention.
(a) my preflop 3 betting frequency, = If high, I'll shove more. If low, I'll call more.

(b) my preflop 3 betting range, = The more suited connectors and Axs I have in my perceived 3 bet range, the more I shove JJ here.

(c) his preflop 4 betting range, = If he's 4 betting TT+, AK, then shoving JJ doesn't make much sense. If he's 4 betting 55+, AJs+, AQo+, KQs and 87s, 76s, A2s-A5s, then shoving JJ should be wildly profitable.

(d) his stack off range vs a 5 bet, = this will be very dependent on the above stuffs. Vs very wide 4 bet ranges, JJ wins the money by shoving no matter if he calls a lot or folds a lot; it puts him in a lose lose situation. Vs very tight 4 bet ranges, call JJ getting a great price.

(e) how solid all of the above reads are.

Very important; idk why I left this for last. If the only hands you've seen him 4 bet are KQs and AA, then calling is probably best. If you've seen em 4 bet 55+, AJs+, AQo+, KQs and 87s, 76s, A2s-A5s, over a large sample of hands, shove and win lots of money.

JJ's can always be tricky imo depending on play but even if you had solid reads on him even having like KQ alls all he needs to do is got 1 card and he's got you, unless you got a set ofcourse. Jack's are always tricky in spots like this unless you have a solid read that he 4 bets day 55s to 10s then your backs are obviously ahead but your reads saying he'll mostly have overheads, if he hits just one he's pretty much got you

LOL

No, I really can't. Is the answer 'no bullying at all'? Because that would make sense.

Please do not 5b ship 300bb over a 34bb raise

What 4bet/fold/call range do you put the villain on that makes it good to shove 300 bb here?

Maybe. What specific cash game are you talking about? Online or live? 2NL or 400NL? HU, 6M or FR?

So "high stakes" plays like 1/2NL ? I don't agree.

Lego this is 1/2nl which is equivalent to micro stakes i don't think people are 4!ing what OP is suggesting i think villain is just going to be calling his 3! 100% of the time.

Honestly i'm not sure how we play our range here being like 1000bb deep, but i'm calling the 4! all day and not thinking about it.

So my follow up question here would be, when the flop hits with one over card what should are action be as first to act?

Assuming you flatted a 4-bet and you're OOP, check your entire range. There aren't many spots where donking in 4-bet pots is particularly appropriate, least of all when you can't beat top pair, have no draw, and you're 300bb deep.
If the flop is ace high it's probably appropriate to check-fold quite often, but it would depend on what the other flop cards are and how you visualize the ranges. e.g. If you flat the 3-bet with several Ax or Kx combos, JJ would be near the bottom of your range, and if villain only 4-bets KK+ or Ax, then you're effectively drawing dead with JJ on Kxx or Axx.

Got into basically the exact same situation playing .5/1 yesterday, at about 270bb effective. UTG1 raised 3bb, I 3bet in mp to 12bb, laggy reg 4bet me to 35bb from bu. He'd been raising me every chance he got, especially in position, so I was never folding, but I defaulted to just a call because I really didn't want to 5bet and be forced to call off my entire stack preflop w jj. Board ran out 5c 5s qc 4h 9s, he bet all 3 streets and I called all the way down, and he had ah5h for flopped trips. Don't think I played it wrong postflop, especially since I didn't have jc, but in hindsight I'm debating whether I should have 5! preflop.

That scenario is not similar at all IMO. It requires a much stronger range to cold 4-bet vs an UTG+1 open and MP 3-bet than it does to 4bet BU vs BB. You shouldn’t 5-bet into a very polar range deep when you can’t beat any value.

At 1/2 or 1/3 I've rarely found that jacks are ahead pre flop when 5! The players just aren't playing higher than 3rd level thinking so they generally have better. Not how I want to gii