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Should I stackoff with QQ/AK in a non-resteal position? Should I stackoff with QQ/AK in a non-resteal position?

03-20-2018 , 04:31 AM
With QQ/AK in a 2nl 6-max 100bb effective stack game, not in a late position battle against unknown or standard reg:

I. When facing an open raise and it's folded to me
a. should I 3b with the intention of stacking off?
b. should I 3b/call 4b?
c. should I 3b/fold?
d. just flat?

II. As a preflop raiser and facing a 3b/squeeze
a. should I 4b with the intention of stacking off?
b. should I fold to 3b/squeeze?
c. should I call 3b/squeeze even OOP?
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03-20-2018 , 05:57 AM
I would, just because people will allin you with absolutely random cards at 2nl
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03-20-2018 , 06:58 AM
Well... I have similar question since I also play 2nl. Are you folding QQ at all when you are facing 3 bet or 4bet pre flop? I am asking because lately it seems every time when I face 3bet or 4bet vs unknown opponent I am all in and He is showing KK, AA or AK.
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03-20-2018 , 09:12 AM
It depends on your opponent. There’s no answer that’s correct 100% of the time. The tighter they are the more likely you’re behind. In general you should be 3! QQ close to 100%. If the guy who hasn’t played a hand in 6 rounds suddenly decides to 3! you, now there’s more of a decision.

Also, getting it in with QQ vs AK pre is not a bad thing
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03-20-2018 , 09:43 AM
Post some hands in the micro stakes forums and they’ll let you know pretty quickly. They’ll probably tell you to stack off for the most part, except for maybe UTG vs MP.

Food for thought:
if everyone except you is stacking off with QQ/AK

Then should you stack off with AK?
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03-20-2018 , 10:21 AM
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I am asking because lately it seems every time when I face 3bet or 4bet vs unknown opponent I am all in and He is showing KK, AA or AK.
PStars, Zoom, 6max, Nanostakes (2nlz - 10nlz) there is a huge (exploitable) population gap between 3betting (everybody and his dog is doing it light) and 4betting (basically AK, QQ+ 80% of the time). There are lots of ways to exploit this population tendency, one way is to keep QQ & AK in your 3bet flatting range (and 4bet AA/KK plus 4 bet bluffing hands).

Not saying you should do this, just saying construct you ranges around population tendencies (esp continuation ranges) rather than just "should I stack off with these cards".

If you auto stack off QQ/AK against nano zoom regs and unknowns you will find yourself running into AA, KK, QQ, AK nearly all the time (as you have discovered) as you will be folding out all of their bluffs and much of the range you beat.

None of this applies against nano zoom confirmed fish...just gii preflop versus them...as the man says they will gii with all sorts of cr@p. It is an ego-driven mistake though to assume everybody at these stakes is an automatic fish these days, esp if you are plying Zoom and facing many readless spots.

Last edited by Fatboy54; 03-20-2018 at 10:27 AM.
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03-20-2018 , 02:35 PM
Thanks for the reply, but you said a bunch of things I just don't understand . For example what is a population gap between 3bet and 4bet.
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03-20-2018 , 05:45 PM
A "population" read is a read based on the reg tendencies at any given game/stake (I'm talking micro stake zoom on Stars specifically because I know that population). You use population reads when you have no other information to go on, which is very common in Zoom (and hudless/anonymous sites).

The gap I refer to is the gap between 3betting and 4betting ranges. It is very common at microstakes online to see regs with 3 betting ranges in double figures, yet basically only 4betting the monsters. This is very exploitable if you construct your own preflop ranges around these tendencies.

Like you are on the btn 10nlz zoom and open with XX, the unknown full stacked villain in the BB 3bets you.

I'm going to be defending most of my range because villain is very wide (and I'm IP).
I'm going to be 4betting polar (bluffs and monsters) because villian is overfolding to my 4bets. (I usually bluff with blockers Ax, Kx type hands).
I'm going to be flatting my mid-strength hands to keep villain wide and play some decent stuff IP

Conversely, I'm in the BB, co opens I 3bet and unknown full stacked co 4bets me (usually at these stakes, too big). I'm overfolding because I know villain is very strong. I have no bluffs, so I either call or 5bet my premiums. Either way, if I continue to a 4bet, I expect to stack off.

None of this applies if you have decent reads or stats on a specific villain that you can exploit.

Last edited by Fatboy54; 03-20-2018 at 05:51 PM.
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03-20-2018 , 11:10 PM
The question is has opponent got AA or KK in this spot? You need to develop your esp skills. However Doyle says its a jellyroll in his classic book super system.

You could ask in chat and see what response you get. However don't expect much from those 24 tabling Russians.
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03-21-2018 , 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Fatboy54
A "population" read is a read based on the reg tendencies at any given game/stake (I'm talking micro stake zoom on Stars specifically because I know that population). You use population reads when you have no other information to go on, which is very common in Zoom (and hudless/anonymous sites).

The gap I refer to is the gap between 3betting and 4betting ranges. It is very common at microstakes online to see regs with 3 betting ranges in double figures, yet basically only 4betting the monsters. This is very exploitable if you construct your own preflop ranges around these tendencies.

Like you are on the btn 10nlz zoom and open with XX, the unknown full stacked villain in the BB 3bets you.

I'm going to be defending most of my range because villain is very wide (and I'm IP).
I'm going to be 4betting polar (bluffs and monsters) because villian is overfolding to my 4bets. (I usually bluff with blockers Ax, Kx type hands).
I'm going to be flatting my mid-strength hands to keep villain wide and play some decent stuff IP

Conversely, I'm in the BB, co opens I 3bet and unknown full stacked co 4bets me (usually at these stakes, too big). I'm overfolding because I know villain is very strong. I have no bluffs, so I either call or 5bet my premiums. Either way, if I continue to a 4bet, I expect to stack off.

None of this applies if you have decent reads or stats on a specific villain that you can exploit.
Thank you for the explanation! From your two posts I understand than
basically when I see 4 bet at these micro stakes it should raise my attention flag, because the players are 4betting almost always with monster hands(QQ+,AK). But they are 3betting with much wider range of hands and this difference is the gap and it can be exploited if I adapt my play accordingly(for example just calling 3bet with QQ and AK ). Am I getting it right or...?
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03-21-2018 , 02:35 PM
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But they are 3betting with much wider range of hands and this difference is the gap and it can be exploited if I adapt my play accordingly(for example just calling 3bet with QQ and AK ). Am I getting it right or...?
That's basically the gist of my post yes, but you must bear in mind three vital points;

1. This is based on my knowledge of the population where I play (pokerstars, microstakes, zoom). It is not necessarily valid elsewhere, you have to form your own population reads.
2. None of it applies if you a trying to stack a fish with (different) exploitable tendencies, that you have read.
3. How you construct your ranges (ie how to balance your actions and with what hands) depends on how wide or narrow you open (and also bet-sizing, but prop just forget that for now).
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